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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: Gray_Area on June 06, 2012, 05:16:42 pm
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You'll love this one, pinballjim......
I'm selling some headphones (new, because I bought the wrong ones....), and some guy messaged me with the following:
Would you trade the headphones along with $120 from you for a white Xbox 360 Pro 60GB 1 white wireless controller halo ODST Command and conquer 3 and left 4 dead?
I said I didn't play console games.
Then he said: im asking because the deal could easily be sold for atleast $150 or more
I said, "Then sell it and come back and buy the headphones."
But he wasn't done: craigslist wont let me post to sell why you think im asking for trade and some cash lol
I said, "I guess we're both hosed then."
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I get this kind of email all the time
"jtag my xbox for a turtle beach headphone?? just google and see how much it is..JUST DO IT ITS HELLA EXPENSIVE BRO!!"
....I dont need any headphones. I dont even play online. gtfo :dunno
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i always wonder what goes through their heads at that point.... is it true idiocy, a lack of caring, or do they not know how to read...
just cause you say its worth more and your willing to trade it, does not mean i want it for my arcade/computer/ect
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Expensive gaming headphones + online gaming = listening to 10 year olds call me a "---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---" 100 million times and "how good my mom was last night"
no thanks. keep your headphones.
Also had some guy trying to push these rediculously overpriced "beats" headphones on me. listened for about 1...2...3 seconds before i was like "dude that sounds like crap." looked online at some testing they did with them... hell they can't get the sound coming out of the the left and right to match...and the response curve had this crater in it that looked like a nuclear bomb hit it.
http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Monster-Beats-by-Dr--Dre-Headphones-Review-544/Performance.htm (http://www.headphoneinfo.com/content/Monster-Beats-by-Dr--Dre-Headphones-Review-544/Performance.htm)
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Honestly, as much as I gripe about Craig's List, it really has cut down on the idiots that want penpals or just want to show off their stuff if you follow a few simple rules:
If they don't list a phone number, but respond to your e-mail with "Call me at..." - just delete it and move on. They want to give you an hour long story about how they got it and play let's fish for an offer.
If they do list a phone number and you text it and find out it's a landline - just ignore them and move on. A housebound layabout owns nothing I want.
If they refuse to provide any kind of picture before you get there - move on. Especially if they give you some kind of BS 'I broke my cell phone last week' story. No picture = no sale. People without functional cell phone cameras that manage to get stuff listed on Craig's List are too poor and/or stupid to have anything I want.
If they say they don't have a car and can't meet you anywhere - move on. It's some 13 year old kid selling his older brother's crap without permission. Yes, I've interrupted dinners and heard arguments because some twerp told me to show up at 6pm and he didn't clear it with the family first.
This should be stickied not just here but at the top of every CL page.
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If they say they don't have a car and can't meet you anywhere - move on. It's some 13 year old kid selling his older brother's crap without permission. Yes, I've interrupted dinners and heard arguments because some twerp told me to show up at 6pm and he didn't clear it with the family first.
Families still sit down to dinner?....at six?
These are decent (listening) headphones, for those who want something hyped. I didn't look closely enough at the picture of the box to see it said 'extended bass'. Oops.
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Families still sit down to dinner?....at six?
If you meet them at McDonald's, maybe.
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Well somebody bought these tonight. His old pair, which he brought to make sure they were exactly the same, was wore out. Funny was he said, 'You didn't message me back when you had these for sale a couple weeks ago'. I said 'I haven't had these that long, different guy'. Serendipity, eh?
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I just recently gave away a Banzai waterslide on CL. I told everyone in the posting and emails to meet at a certain corner at 9:00am after school busses and trash pickup came through the neighborhood. By the time I walked my son to the bustop (8:30am), I counted 12 cars/trucks/vans, all people waiting for the waterslide. Some chatting with each other about how they were promised the slide (I didnt promise anyone anything). A sheriff deputy pulled up asking what everyone was doing at that corner (neighbor called) and he made everyone move their cars so the busses and garbage truck can get through.
Long story short, people were at that corner the night before knocking on doors asking about the waterslide. People were at that corner at 6:00am that morning to be first in line to get it. After my boy got on the bus, I walked back home passed all the people, jumped in my truck, drove to the corner, jumped out, pulled waterslide out of the bed, placed the blower on top and 25 hilljacks rushed the darn thing. 2 ladies, one with a very small baby ended up with it after some bickered about email promises they didnt get.
So, giving away something on CL isnt as easy as you might think. Guess if I'd mentioned the slow air leak or faded colors, I probably wouldnt have gotten that kind of attention with it. :dunno
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So, giving away something on CL isnt as easy as you might think. Guess if I'd mentioned the slow air leak or faded colors, I probably wouldnt have gotten that kind of attention with it. :dunno
Depends on the item. Things many people in this hobby would want, you can't pay regular people to take. But stuff like you had, oh yeah, you get the roaches coming out of the woodwork. Something like that I'd just leave out on the corner without telling anybody it was going to be there. Maybe leave it on a corner at least a half mile away.
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No door to door trash collection in my county. Everybody hauls their own to the nearest collection point where you can find piles of free stuff all the time. Anytime I've put something of value there it's been gone before I was back in my car. Makes it easy. No mess, no fuss.
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I posted an ad in the free section on CL once for a hive of bees that had taken up in an owl house in my back yard.
I got so many calls within about 30 mins, I had to take the posting down.
And the exterminator was gonna charge 250$ to get rid of it :laugh2:
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I posted an ad in the free section on CL once for a hive of bees that had taken up in an owl house in my back yard.
I got so many calls within about 30 mins, I had to take the posting down.
And the exterminator was gonna charge 250$ to get rid of it :laugh2:
Stoner 1: duuuuuude....we could get sooooo much honey from that.
Stoner 2: awwww...yeah man... we should totally do that!
Stoner 1: I'm gonna have so much toast *stoner laugh*
Stoner 2: ohhh...wait...dude...it's bees...that make honey right?
Stoner 1: ...
Stoner 2: yeah....yeah it is. it's cool bro. my bad.
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They don't allow you to have bees in here.
BEES! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J2kc4oZTVU#)
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CL isnt always bad tho. as long as you are not dealing with kids.
I just got a RGHable(lol) slim xbox 360 with 4 controllers, 250gb hd, powerbrick for...$100. DELIVERED :burgerking:
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CL isnt always bad tho. as long as you are not dealing with kids.
I just got a RGHable(lol) slim xbox 360 with 4 controllers, 250gb hd, powerbrick for...$100. DELIVERED :burgerking:
that's pretty good, i thought i was doing good with my fat xbox ultimate with the 120gb drive for $115.
it had a dozen or so xbox arcade games installed on it, so I ain't even mad.
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^ Id jump on those
but thats because I have a customer base. I always have people looking for these. few months ago(when rgh was released) I found 2 falcon jtags(no chip inside) for 90 each. hustled it down to 160 delivered. some of you here own those consoles lol.. :burgerking:
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Everything related to consoles on craigslist seems to be dominated by children, idiots and idiot children. 98 percent of the game titles I see listed on there are listed at prices higher than the shipped price on amazon for a new in box copy. People want to meet at a restaurant parking lot to sell some idiot obsolete children's title for $5 (same title new in box 1 cent on amazon).
Most annoying is the things with the word arcade somewhere in the title or description, I have no choice but to see all of that stuff if I want to have any chance at the game deals. Boy is there some stupid stuff out there with arcade in the name.
People relist the same piece of junk $20 thing every SINGLE day for six months. These two turds below have been relisted every couple days all year. Both have arcade in the title so I get notices on them over and over again.
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/for/3087592486.html (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/for/3087592486.html) (listed $20 used, $19.95 new on Amazon).
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/tag/3096402072.html (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/tag/3096402072.html) (listed $45, $32 on Amazon)
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For the sake of continuity, it might be prudent to quote the actual ads rather than (or along with) a direct link since these ads do expire after a fashion and it would be a pain to figure out what the ---fudgesicle--- you guys were talking about three months down the road.
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Well, the fellow collector butthurt has already started:
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/clt/3104204978.html (http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/clt/3104204978.html)
This, more than everything else combined, has often come close to convincing me to drop this hobby. Fellow Collector Butthurt should be a formalized term. I have had deals where I have bought trashed old games that had been in a forgotten warehouse so long that there was a cab shaped dust crater on the floor. Straight up, full disclosure, I have cash in hand and a truck let's do this tomorrow. Post pics on a regional site and there is always a Fellow Butthurt Collector who flames me and posts that he had tried to buy those that same set of games, disregarding that they were among 75 in the warehouse, 5 years ago. They accuse me of backdooring their deal. It never matters whether or not I have ever heard of this Fellow Butthurt Collector, or that years had passed, or that they never actually exchanged money.
And oh... my... god... if a good game pops up on CL for a low price? The FCB starts within 5 minutes and can last a full freakin year. I hate it. Drives me absolutely batshit and ruins the hobby for me. We can't even post on CL in our area because there are FBCs out there who flag every single pinball post within minutes.
:dizzy: :banghead: :dizzy: :banghead: :dizzy: :banghead: :dizzy: :banghead:
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If he did you'd wipe the place out on him. Most people would. I don't expect people to cut me in on their good finds. I don't expect them to give me friend prices even if I do have a bad habit of giving friend prices to people who never call me again.
This area is particularly vicious in FBC. There are a lot of collectors here.
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Yep. There are a few here known to attach an "I owned it" premium to a game that they bought at market value and then did little to improve.
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Chad and PBJ are on a roll ...
Fellow Butthurt Collector(tm) and I Owned It Premium(tm) are excellent additions to the coin-op lexicon!
:cheers:
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my craigslist notifier search is "arcade -ps2 -ps3 -wii -xbox" and it works pretty well. if you don't filter you get clogged with a lot of unwanted console packages.
On my Pinball search I just deal with the occasional console related result (ie nintendo williams hall of fame) or whatever. Too desperate for pinball machines to filter anything out there.
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Theres a guy trying to sell a whole rinky dink arcade on Wilmington CL. posts every 2 weeks or so. will not sell the POTC separately or even entertain me looking at it. I also get the guy trying to sell his 5th wheel RV, on a lot in a campground with, you guessed it, a pin in the campground arcade.
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if you don't filter you get clogged with a lot of unwanted console packages.
Nobody wants to be clogged with a lot of unwanted packages.
Around here that "trade for a pin" post would be flagged within minutes. Three years ago I was selling a Honda Civic and had "would also trade for arcade games or pinball machine(s)" in the ad. It got flagged immediately every time I posted it until I took that part out.
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I see nothing wrong with trading items, but you have to:
A: Have something worth trading
B: Expect to trade it for something of comparable value.
THEN
C: Accept the fact you aren't going to trade it for anything.
C'mon a 95 tracker? Hell that thing wouldn't pass an air-care inspection. A "Project" vehicle to boot? actual value around $300. I don't care if your (insert color book) value says 3000. I can guarantee the piece of crap pinball I would trade for it is going to need more work that your "project 95 tracker"
I've seen more than my fair share of people on CL wanting to trade their POS xbox360 arcade editions for a PS3. HEY KID! there is a very distinct difference in cost between these items, you better be ponying up some dough or throw in another xbox cause that 360arcade is about 1/2 the price of this PS3.
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at least he's not trying to trade some headphones for a ps3 :laugh2:
I often have kids trying to get me to teach them modding so they can make moneyz :burgerking: like its THAT easy loool. I can already picture kids breaking xboxes trying to solder microscopic points and tearing their hair out when things dont work. you see I am VERY patient with this. you need special kind of dedication to do this for other people. doing one jtag for yourself is different than doing it everyday with proper time management. and not a fan of 9 million questions after that.. :dunno
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my craigslist notifier search is "arcade -ps2 -ps3 -wii -xbox" and it works pretty well. if you don't filter you get clogged with a lot of unwanted console packages.
Good for you, I curse the ---daisies--- who named their damn town Arden Arcade. Of course, I've yet to find a decent deal from that whore-ville town so I guess it works out.
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-Arden
>:D
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-Arden
>:D
Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, why didn't I think of that? Oh wait...
In a perfect world sure, but then you got those monkeying with the tags. You've seen them, where they're selling some lame ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and tag the posting with 300 words that have zilch to do with their ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
One of these days I'll assemble a grease monkey script or something that filters CL a little bit more intelligently.
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Believe me, I know it doesn't work. That's why you got the patented TopJimmyCooks
Sarcasm Satan(R) >:D
Fortunately in this CL backwater people don't search optimize their posts for john boat with trolling motor - ran when parked.
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I didn't get the patent notice
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uh, patent pending?
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My biggest pet peeve: CL posts that want me to guess at what they want.
"Make me an offer" + "no lowballers!"
Yay, I get to guess at the price, and if I guess too low, you get pissed at me! I have no idea if you are a grandma trying to get rid of that weird arcade box in the basement or a flipper trying to sell to a rich guy with a "man cave." No thanks.
"Up for trade. Let me know what you got."
Really, can you narrow it down for me? Are you really wanting me to list off for you all the trade-able crap I own in case you want some of it? If you want an ATV, say it. If you want a HDTV, say it. Don't make me guess.
:banghead: That stuff bugs me more than people who think "Mint" = functional. Which really bugs me.
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do what I do. never actually go anywhere for pick up :lol I always get people to bring me their stuff. you want the $ come and get it. I dont have the time to deal with flaky BS. and if within 2 emails I dont have clear answers to my question I dont bother with that transaction anymore. NEXT!
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"Up for trade. Let me know what you got."
Really, can you narrow it down for me? Are you really wanting me to list off for you all the trade-able crap I own in case you want some of it? If you want an ATV, say it. If you want a HDTV, say it. Don't make me guess.
:banghead: That stuff bugs me more than people who think "Mint" = functional. Which really bugs me.
I hate the whole notion of CL trading in general. I can see if they are open to trade as an option, but when I see a posting for a machine, and they only want stuff completely unrelated, I have to roll my eyes. The hell If I have any spare guns or motorcycles lying around to make an offer for your worn down street fighter cabinet.
Even if I did have a motorcycle that was a fair trade, it would logically be worth the $150 the arcade machine would go for. I can't imagine the guy would take a $150 complete piece of crap motorcycle. The dude is looking for something $750 or more I'm sure.
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The hell If I have any spare guns or motorcycles lying around to make an offer for your worn down street fighter cabinet.
Yeah, it's always guns or/and vehicles/cycles. I stay away from those people.
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some girl wanted to blow me if I fixed her laptop.................................... :dunno
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some girl wanted to blow me if I fixed her laptop.................................... :dunno
1 fixed laptop = 1 hummer? sounds fair to me. :cheers:
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some girl wanted to blow me if I fixed her laptop.................................... :dunno
See, if you don't want the aids, that's a barterin situation there. Get someone else who has something you want to get the blow. Everybody's happy.
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some girl wanted to blow me if I fixed her laptop.................................... :dunno
See, if you don't want the aids, that's a barterin situation there. Get someone else who has something you want to get the blow. Everybody's happy.
Whoever said that the BYOAC wasn't a classy joint? Get that sunnofbitch in here. We're oozing classy.
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yeah but she looked kinda good and not fat or anything.
there was nothing to fix. just reformatted the hard drive with win7(had windowsME in there lol) while she fixed me down there :burgerking: hold up let me check my email real quick..I think there is a lil gmail icon with her pic.
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some girl blew me for fixing her laptop.................................... :dunno
Fixed.
I do computer repairs in the community for senior citizens. Cash only. No sex.
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some girl blew me for fixing her laptop.................................... :dunno
Fixed.
I do computer repairs in the community for senior citizens. Cash only. No sex.
suuuure ::)
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OK, one lady DID give me an extra windshield wiper for my car that she had lying around...
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NO refund bro :lol
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3137604112.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3137604112.html)
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NO refund bro :lol
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3137604112.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3137604112.html)
I buy whole xboxes sometimes with 2 controllers and even sometimes-ier with games for $20 ... I feel like i'm ripping them off now :(
oh, and this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=120660.0;attach=187378;image)
"AS IS" ... I really want to know what the top of this unit looks like. ;D
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I somehow managed to get a 360 with HDMI (beats me which "model" that makes it) and a 20GB hard drive for $70 on Craigslist last week. Came with one wireless controller even, and three games (the one that comes to mind is Star Wars Force Unleashed . . . oh and NBA 2K10, but I can't remember the other). I was pretty pleased with myself.
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(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=120660.0;attach=187378;image)
"AS IS" ... I really want to know what the top of this unit looks like. ;D
um 120 is a good deal for that IF its working. Id ask him to hook it up to a damn tv before buying. in case you cant tell, the black parts aren't actually broken. thats how the case is. so everything with the 120gb drive is a great deal for 120. that re5 is guaranteed to have a jasper board inside.
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sorry.... let me try this again...
AS IS
posts picture of xbox UPSIDE DOWN so you can't see top.
WTF
???
Profit!
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Almost as good as a $20 PC with a $50 video card, almost.
I somehow managed to get a 360 with HDMI (beats me which "model" that makes it) and a 20GB hard drive for $70 on Craigslist last week. Came with one wireless controller even, and three games (the one that comes to mind is Star Wars Force Unleashed . . . oh and NBA 2K10, but I can't remember the other). I was pretty pleased with myself.
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^ thats pretty accurate lool
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$70 cash in hand for a PC that can play XBox 360 level games.
whats that???
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Almost as good as a $20 PC with a $50 video card, almost.
Haha yup--agreed.
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bought random xbox360 for $30 yesterday. the disc drive tray was kinda stuck so I RGHed that bish :burgerking:
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html)
only $800 FIRM. seriously serious buyer plz!!
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html)
only $800 FIRM. seriously serious buyer plz!!
yeah we get that crap too...
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They spelled 'modded' moded, twice. Someone should respond saying, 'Moded?! You're out-moded, dude!' Maybe I shall.
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Okay, I did, I had to.
Moded, huh? Looks like you're out-moded, dude! Except in so far as you've been a special guest in a forum post that pokes fun at console kiddies and the like.
Ciao!
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3152165857.html)
only $800 FIRM. seriously serious buyer plz!!
yeah we get that crap too...
I wanna troll these guys lol..
be like "holy crap dude 300 games!! can you deliver right now..HAVE CASH IN HAND!!"
then not answer the phone when he's here. I am sure people will hop on the car and go anywhere for the easiest 800.
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first i just want to say the assumption that someone not having a cell phone means that person doesn't know anything or has nothing of value. I don't own a cell phone. have no need for one. text is over rated. i have had my dealings with the craigslist lot. and the console ---meecrobs---. guy at work has a 120gb xbox 360 and like 12 games. wants like 250 or so and says omg its worth over 500 dollars. this guy on craigslist 6 months back had a mortal kombat in a bad dudes cab and wanted 150 for it. said he didnt know if it worked or not cause he never tried it. i contact him bout it to see if it works. the day im suppose to go look at it he dont answer the phone. so later on i check CL again. he has it relisted for 250 and sends me an email to come look at it the next night. he listed that cab for 2 months more. and relisted it the other night trying to get his 150 like he originally wanted. this guy in my county wants $1500 for the mame system in the pic. i also feel the "its mine" market up has to go. I got an empty dynamo z back cab. im selling for $50 with the full coin mech. yea i could split them and sell the coin mech for more but hell i just want it gone. i aint trying to get no 150 or 200 just cause i own it.
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^ classic CL right there :laugh2:
some of these people are SO stupid its pretty hilarious. most of the sellers refuse to check the CURRENT MARKET VALUE. just because u bought something for 400 few years ago doesn't mean that's what you'll get back when you sell it.
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sad thing is the "its mine" mark up doesnt just apply to arcade. friend of mine bout a cheap honda and added like a grand of ricer stuff and thought he should get the money back out of it he put into it.
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SIGH...
can someone decyper this phone number:
The title says it. XBOX KINECT SENSOR.
Works fine. Looks new.
enough said...
shoot me a message: tWo One zEro FivE ZerO foUr Two NinE tHree
21 050 4293 :dizzy: :banghead:
oh, and...
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210? Puro San Antonio.
the area code this ad comes from is 780... :dunno
but...
210 504 293..0 - hello you gotta kinect for sale...no? okay
210 504 293..1 - hello you gotta kinect for sale...no? okay
210 504 293..2 - hello you gotta kinect for sale :lol ...no? okay
210 504 293..3 - hello you gotta kinect for sale :lol :lol ...no? okay :laugh2:
210 504 293..4 - hello you gotta kinect for sale :laugh2: ...no? okay :laugh2:
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I want to contact the guy with the xbox with 57 games. and tell him ill let him have the fun of sending it to me and i wont send the cops to his house for trying to sell illegal software. then i will take the games and make labels and buy case and bam sell it for over a grand muwahahaha
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yeah because random cops totally have that kind of power to just go "get someone" lol..
and you dont even need someone's bootleg games if you were to do that. but you cant fool anyone with your labels because dvd-DLs have purple writing surface like any other blank media and games dont just play on any unmodded system(not like dreamcast)
on another note, I modded xboxes and psps for cops and detectives before. but I dont mess with games. thats how you get in trouble. one of them looked like the dude from the tv show shield. fat, white, bald, new york accent. I think he was slacking on the job(or bored) and played psp 8)
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you can fool people. if they dont know what to look for. i got a wii soft modded to run burnt games like they was retail. so to a lamen it would seem legit.
plus cops is all crazy. one min they got you modded their console next they taking you in the paddy wagon.
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3188955606.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/vgm/3188955606.html)
microsoft brand bro! :laugh2:
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wow that is funny cause i be seeing those in the pawn shops here for bout the same price. i think i need ot get me one to replace my power suppy for this xbox360 since its not all awesome and microsoft brand
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On that note, I recall seeing that smart phone batteries were, like, 40-50+ dollars. Ebay and China to the rescue again. Four and a half a piece, including shipping. Even if they suck, it's not a big deal. So far so good, though.
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most batteries I sell on ebay are like $4-5 and some really good ones are like 8-10.
and legit genuine stuff.
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most batteries I sell on ebay are like $4-5 and some really good ones are like 8-10.
and legit genuine stuff.
genuine is only as genuine as your photoshop skills.
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no no its all real stuff lol..I am not putting photoshop sticker on bootleg batteries :lol
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/vgm/3185396478.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/vgm/3185396478.html)
2 working remotes..............FOR WHAT OMG WHY SO STUPID ?? ?? ??
and one post isn't enough. "cynthia" has to post 4 ads bout "2 remotes" ::)
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jeez! what's not to get?!
also... I REFUSE TO PLAY THIS SHIDDY SYSTEM ON MY EXPESIVE AZZED TV AND ALSO I YELL ALOT!
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yeah. I didn't time to ship the pedal. was selling it at a loss anyway. better than trashing it I guess :dunno
why ??
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sooo...this happened.
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I want that 46' tv plz >:D
looks like someone got caught cheating. thats why you get a prepaid phone. not like Id know or anything..
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yeah looks like someone pissed someone else off and decided to flood their cellphone with texts from random people.
someone did this with Garth Brooks tickets a while back and the dude was getting like 100 texts an hour. :laugh2:
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you can get in serious trouble for doing that
unless its problem a public computer or something(like literary lol)
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first i just want to say the assumption that someone not having a cell phone means that person doesn't know anything or has nothing of value.
I didn't have a cell phone until last year. I'm considering getting rid of it again. I have things of value.
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/vgm/3291236019.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/vgm/3291236019.html)
buahaahahhaha..yeah the retail of this crap was totally $500 :laugh2: this thing barely works
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first i just want to say the assumption that someone not having a cell phone means that person doesn't know anything or has nothing of value.
I didn't have a cell phone until last year. I'm considering getting rid of it again. I have things of value.
Hey at least if your gonna quote me dont Romneyfi my quote at least get the part in there that says i dont agree with that assumption lol