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Lets get to the bottom of this. What do you think was the biggest disappointment, didn't match the hype, and left you like you got raped for 7 bucks at the theater.
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Indy 4. That really nuked the fridge.
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I'm going off your chart and picking Planet of the Apes with Marky Mark. Boy did that suck.
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I'm going off your chart and picking Planet of the Apes with Marky Mark. Boy did that suck.
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I'm okay with most of the ones on the list. I've not seen T4 though.
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I tried to pick Star Wars twice. Superman and Rocky movies were getting ridiculous by the end of the original series, so the reboots didn't have far to fall. I think Indy 4 gets a bad rap; I personally didn't think it was terrible. The other ones I either haven't seen or wasn't big on anyhow.
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Isn't a "reboot" supposed to be starting over the same story? Most of what you listed in your poll are sequels, not reboots.
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Isn't a "reboot" supposed to be starting over the same story? Most of what you listed in your poll are sequels, not reboots.
Maybe Reboot isnt exactly the right word, but it was suppose to restart the franchise. Terminator Salvation and Indy 4 were both suppose to be the first of new trilogies. If successful that would reboot the franchise. Die Hard, Rocky, and Rambo were just attempts to squeeze more money out of the franchise..
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I'm going off your chart and picking Planet of the Apes with Marky Mark. Boy did that suck.
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I'm okay with most of the ones on the list. I've not seen T4 though.
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why is star trek and batman on the list?? they are far from "disappointing" ???
id say superman returns and indiana jones.
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Isn't a "reboot" supposed to be starting over the same story? Most of what you listed in your poll are sequels, not reboots.
Maybe Reboot isnt exactly the right word, but it was suppose to restart the franchise. Terminator Salvation and Indy 4 were both suppose to be the first of new trilogies. If successful that would reboot the franchise. Die Hard, Rocky, and Rambo were just attempts to squeeze more money out of the franchise..
Well no, not really. for half of the films on your list, the sequels were supposed to END the franchise with some sort of dignity. The stallone films in particular, and in that respect many of the films on your list aren't bad at all nor are they "reboots".
Yet another apples/oranges poll. Fix it and I'll vote. ;)
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Isn't a "reboot" supposed to be starting over the same story? Most of what you listed in your poll are sequels, not reboots.
Maybe Reboot isnt exactly the right word, but it was suppose to restart the franchise. Terminator Salvation and Indy 4 were both suppose to be the first of new trilogies. If successful that would reboot the franchise. Die Hard, Rocky, and Rambo were just attempts to squeeze more money out of the franchise..
Well no, not really. for half of the films on your list, the sequels were supposed to END the franchise with some sort of dignity. The stallone films in particular, and in that respect many of the films on your list aren't bad at all nor are they "reboots".
Yet another apples/oranges poll. Fix it and I'll vote. ;)
Agreed. Some other recent reboots that should of been on the list are Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Godzilla, and The Incredible Hulk. I'm not sure why your list is almost entirely populated with sequels when there are plenty of actual reboots that can go on the list.
Wait another year or two and you'll get even more great (horrible) reboots like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Red Dawn, Short Circuit, The Crow, and Spiderman (yes, all of those are currently in the works).
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I thought most of them were fine.
Superman Returns was kind of lame, the Star Wars prequels could have been better but they got watchable as they went along. Rambo and Rocky were not as bad as expected. Indy 4 was fine up until you find out what the main plot is, then it is kind of stupid, but I could still think of a lot worse. Godzilla and Nightmare on Elm Street are two that AtomSmasher pointed out that I hated.
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I think I'm the only person on the planet who really liked the new Star Wars movies. Sure, a lot of the dialogue was laughable, the guy that played Anakin was horrific and Jar Jar Binks was an unfortunate misstep but overall I thought they were pretty good. The lightsaber fights alone were worth the price of admission. They had some truly memorable new characters (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, General Grevious, etc.) and we got to see Yoda fight like a badass. I don't know... they really couldn't ever live up to expectations but I think people are unfairly critical.
That said, my biggest disappointments on the list are Superman Returns (AWFUL) and the Planet of the Apes. I haven't seen Indy 4 or Rambo 4 yet. I liked the others though.
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I didn't mind the Planet of the Apes remake, sure the ending was kind of lame but all in all I thought it was better than most remakes. Then again, I haven't seen it since it was a new movie so my opinion might change if I watch it again now. And what a coincidence, I just so happen to have it. I think I will watch it soon.
As for Javeryh's comments on Star Wars, I agree for the most part. The first of had a lot of annoying moments and the only redeeming quality is the lightsaber battles, the 2nd one was much better, and the 3rd was the best yet although I felt the ending was a little rushed. But the lightsaber battles in all three are worth the price of admission.
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I think I'm the only person on the planet who really liked the new Star Wars movies. Sure, a lot of the dialogue was laughable, the guy that played Anakin was horrific and Jar Jar Binks was an unfortunate misstep but overall I thought they were pretty good. The lightsaber fights alone were worth the price of admission. They had some truly memorable new characters (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, General Grevious, etc.) and we got to see Yoda fight like a badass. I don't know... they really couldn't ever live up to expectations but I think people are unfairly critical.
That said, my biggest disappointments on the list are Superman Returns (AWFUL) and the Planet of the Apes. I haven't seen Indy 4 or Rambo 4 yet. I liked the others though.
Yeah, you might be. ;) I suppose I just expected more out of George Lucas regarding these movies. you also have to keep in mind though, he directed all these, and even though he is great at creating a story, he cant direct for ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Out of the old Star Wars, the best ones werent even directed by him. The lightsaber fights were ok, the yoda part is why Im writing here. Im not a fan of CG really, Im more of a practical effects guy. The light saber duel with Yoda looked like a green pillow was being thrown around by 2 guys off set. He is a Jedi Master, he doesnt need a damn lightsaber, and if he DID have one, he needs to do some crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with it, not bounce around like a gummi bear. I dunno, being a big star wars fan, I just thought that was a let down.
Indy 4 though, by FAR takes the cake on this topic if you ask me. There were so many scenes to name. Here I thought the beginning was cool, then bam. Nuked fridge, went down hill from there. The swinging in the trees like an ape? The monkey having the same haircut? The snake being used as a rope to pull Indy out of the quicksand? The bugs forming a ladder out of them selves to get to the chick? I could go on for days. They should have just let Indy ride off into the sunset like he did at the end of the third one...
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Oh and I think Bryan Singer casted the perfect fit for Superman, I just think the movie needed more action, and Superman isnt supposed to be all somber and emo. Singer said he wanted to do that because he is gay, and he felt like an outsider, and thats what he wanted to convey in Superman. Blah. Keep that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- at home and direct the movie. Superman is the beacon of hope, and is the ultimate hero. The president of warner is trying to make the new Superman be like The Dark Knight, having "dark tones". Trying to get more money...Its annoying. The action scene with the plane was awesome though, if you didnt get chills when it showed him fly in as a blip on the radar before he saved the plane, then youre not a Superman fan. ;D
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I think I'm the only person on the planet who really liked the new Star Wars movies. Sure, a lot of the dialogue was laughable, the guy that played Anakin was horrific and Jar Jar Binks was an unfortunate misstep but overall I thought they were pretty good. The lightsaber fights alone were worth the price of admission. They had some truly memorable new characters (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, General Grevious, etc.) and we got to see Yoda fight like a badass. I don't know... they really couldn't ever live up to expectations but I think people are unfairly critical.
That said, my biggest disappointments on the list are Superman Returns (AWFUL) and the Planet of the Apes. I haven't seen Indy 4 or Rambo 4 yet. I liked the others though.
I liked them as well. Certainly not as good as they could have been. I still watch them if they are on TV although I have to admit Phantom is getting tougher to watch. E2 is fine on DVD if you just hit the chapter-skip whenever Anakin and Padme are alone onscreen. It has almost become a cliche to bash them.
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You left out "The Punisher". (Not the Dolph Lundgren movie - that one does not exist.) I mean the one with Ray Stevenson. You know, that one. The one that DIDN'T have Tom Jane in it. The one that sucked.
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You left out "The Punisher". (Not the Dolph Lundgren movie - that one does not exist.) I mean the one with Ray Stevenson. You know, that one. The one that DIDN'T have Tom Jane in it. The one that sucked.
I personally thought all of the Punisher movies sucked, but the last one at least had the spirit of The Punisher, in the fact that it was very violent unlike the previous ones. The Thomas Jane one was awful...especially the part where he strategically placed an explosive under each car in the parking lot so when he detonated them it formed The Punisher skull...WTF was that all about?
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Rollerball! The first movie was a dystopian character play. The reboot was a sports movie. :(
I also enjoyed the Star Wars reboots, but I'm a Trekkie and don't have a whole lot invested in the SW saga. There were some terrific action sequences (Duel of the Fates, Obi Wan vs Boba Fett), and for every part that featured lame acting by Hayden Christiansen or Jar Jar Binks, there was some good stuff by Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid or Liam Niesen.
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I personally thought all of the Punisher movies sucked, but the last one at least had the spirit of The Punisher, in the fact that it was very violent unlike the previous ones. The Thomas Jane one was awful...especially the part where he strategically placed an explosive under each car in the parking lot so when he detonated them it formed The Punisher skull...WTF was that all about?
How DARE you, sir! Insult the good name of Tom Jane, will you? Fisticuffs at high noon!
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Seriously, the movies weren't for everyone. I, personally, didn't like the 'new' origin story of The Punisher in the second movie, but thought they pulled it out pretty well. I enjoyed the inserted Garth Ennis storyline, even though they massaged it a little bit. I watched the 'extra features' on the DVD, and the budget was severely hacked (thanks a lot, Avi Arad) and they were only given a small percentage of what other comic book movies were given. Even with that, they had a fantastic director in Jonathan Hensleigh and in the musical score by Carlo Siliotto.
Before filming began, Hensleigh was not given the budget he wanted or needed from the studio. Hensleigh knew that most action pictures get a budget of around $64 million. He was only given a $15 million shooting budget for the film,[1] and only 52 days to shoot the film, which is half the time allocated for most action pictures. Most of Hensleigh's original script had to be edited and re-written many times due to budget issues. According to the DVD commentary, the first scene in the film would have been a battle set in Kuwait during the Gulf War, but they were unable to film this scene as a result of the budget cuts.
Personally, I enjoyed the story overall - albeit, being a huge Punisher fan (I have 95% of the comics) I would have liked a different backstory. I thought the weakest character was played by John Travolta. Everybody else played a strong part, especially the scene with Kevin Nash as The Russian. (It was great - nice and over the top, and true to the comic.) Travolta - who HAS been known to be a GOOD actor in some roles - was just... ...weak.
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I would agree that the part with Kevin Nash as the Russian was good. Probably the only really good highlight of that movie. And yes Travolta was awful in that movie as well.
PinballJim: LOL @ the puppets and trashcans comment.
And it also bugged me that all of the technology seemed so much stronger in the prequels than in the original series. Did new breaks in technology cease after the Empire took over or something? Another thing I didn't like was how they tried to connect everything and every character. Or showed them as kids. Anakin building C3PO was stupid and unnecessary, the pussification of Boba Fett by showing him as a kid and giving him a backstory was sacrilege. The fact that stormtroopers are actually clones of Boba Fett's dad is stupid. I would have enjoyed the clone story much more if it were some unknown character. I could go on and on, but they are still entertaining movies if you ignore all the stupid crap. And yes I also hated it when they announced that Leia was Luke's sister in Return of the Jedi. It was fine and groundbreaking when they did it with Luke and Vader being related back in the day, but to try and pull it off again in ROTJ was just lame in my opinion.
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And it also bugged me that all of the technology seemed so much stronger in the prequels than in the original series. Did new breaks in technology cease after the Empire took over or something? Another thing I didn't like was how they tried to connect everything and every character. Or showed them as kids. Anakin building C3PO was stupid and unnecessary, the pussification of Boba Fett by showing him as a kid and giving him a backstory was sacrilege. The fact that stormtroopers are actually clones of Boba Fett's dad is stupid. I would have enjoyed the clone story much more if it were some unknown character. I could go on and on, but they are still entertaining movies if you ignore all the stupid crap. And yes I also hated it when they announced that Leia was Luke's sister in Return of the Jedi. It was fine and groundbreaking when they did it with Luke and Vader being related back in the day, but to try and pull it off again in ROTJ was just lame in my opinion.
You missed a glaring one. Holy hell, when did R2D2 FORGET HOW TO FLY?! Might have been helpful in 4-6, don't you think?
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Everyone knows Blizzard nerfed the R2 models after release patch v1.337.
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You missed a glaring one. Holy hell, when did R2D2 FORGET HOW TO FLY?! Might have been helpful in 4-6, don't you think?
Didn't they wipe the memories of R2 and C3PO at the end of Ep3 because C3PO doesn't recognize Tatooine in Ep4 (where he was built!)??? That was pretty bad.
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Everyone knows Blizzard nerfed the R2 models after release patch v1.337.
This flew over my head. Please explain.
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bahhh! Lucas altered the storyline the entire way. I recently watched Ep IV again (unfortunately it was the version with added CGI in it, :-\ ) Anyways... when Luke meets Obiwan and he talks about Vader and Annakin, he is clearly talking about two people. Only later did Lucas decide to make it one and the same person.
PS: THe more I think about it, the more I think "reboot" is vague and in "the industry" probably means either/both definitions (hereby contradicting my previous post). Otherwise they'd call it a remake? (But then some remakes are reboots. heheheh)
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Poll Updated
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What?? Terminator Salvation..? ..I thought it was worth seeing twice in theaters and bought the bluray. Yeh I laughed at cg Arnold but that was worth seeing again. Couldn't stand Christian Bale in Dark Knight b/c of the raspy voice but I thought he made an excellent John Connor. Btw, I thought the Dark Knight got way more praise than it deserved.. it was good but I couldn't see myself watching it again or buying it. I'll give it this though, it was the best "crime drama" I have ever seen, but not the best comic book movie like everyone says.
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You missed a glaring one. Holy hell, when did R2D2 FORGET HOW TO FLY?! Might have been helpful in 4-6, don't you think?
That part was built by Apple. When the battery to the flying controller died, it couldn't be replaced.
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I am gonna have to chime in on that awful train-wreck known as the star wars prequels. The "plot" was always surrounding people and things you just didn't care about, these movies should have been 'The Lord of the Rings' epic. Instead, we get a movie about Naboo, a planet that seems 10 miles in circumference, only has two cities (one of them is in the ocean), and a snarky 9 year old who acts like he is part of the "Burger King Kidz Club". If being a strong in the force gives you the ability to make awesome stuff, why wasn't luke's farm filled with hand made droids and pod racers.
The third movie skips over all the clone wars, and trys to slap the series into completion within the last half hour. "Suddenly Anakin is Evil, suddenly the Jedi all get killed without having a clue about what was happening to them, suddenly Yoda decides to live in a swamp and sends Obi Wan to live in the desert. Oh, and for good plot slapping measure, R2 and C3PO just magically get everything that happened to them wiped from their memory for the hell of it. ::)
Also, they can't even follow the few loose plot guidelines in the previous movies:
* If Leia's mom died at birth, how did Leia Remember her mother vaguly?
* If, according to yoda, size does not matter when using the force, why did it take him all his effort strength to move that stupid pillar, allowing count dookie to escape? For yoda, it should have been no harder than lifting a biscuit with the force.
* Wasn't the force a spiritual thing, an old religion as they called it, WTF is a midiclorian count all about then? Is the force Scientology or something? Is Tom Cruse a Jedi? ::)
* I thought Obi Wan fought the clone wars alongside Leia's adopted dad, senator organa. I didn't see him do a lick of fighting with Obi Wan. That ---tallywhacker--- must have been lying about his war stories for years to Leia.
* If ability to use the force is genetic, why can't Jedi marry? Isn't that a request for extinction?
:soapbox: I can go on and on about this, but I better stop myself.
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:soapbox: I can go on and on about this, but I better stop myself.
This is done with a lot of crazy humor, but this guy does a great job dissecting the issues with the new Trilogy. I didn't count the number of major problems he pointed out, but it's probably in the hundreds.
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html)
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:soapbox: I can go on and on about this, but I better stop myself.
This is done with a lot of crazy humor, but this guy does a great job dissecting the issues with the new Trilogy. I didn't count the number of major problems he pointed out, but it's probably in the hundreds.
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html)
Yeak Plinkett's 70 min long review of Episode One is more epic than the movie was.
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Yeh I laughed at cg Arnold but that was worth seeing again.
It was only CGI from the neck up. From the neck down, it was all Roland Kickinger.
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:soapbox: I can go on and on about this, but I better stop myself.
This is done with a lot of crazy humor, but this guy does a great job dissecting the issues with the new Trilogy. I didn't count the number of major problems he pointed out, but it's probably in the hundreds.
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett.html)
Yeak Plinkett's 70 min long review of Episode One is more epic than the movie was.
I've heard about this before, I'll be sure to check it out when I have 70 minutes to spare. Thanks! :)
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Here is my $0.02 on the other movies that I have seen from the list:
Indiana Jones 4 - probably the biggest move dissapointment, they took a legendard franchise about a man fighting endless hoards of Nazis, and turned it into Chia Leboof flying around with his motorcycle, swinging from vines and summoning jungle monkeys to stop a couple cars worth of communists.
Terminator 4 - I was disenchanted at T3, which I didn't understand how that terminator was any bit more scary than the T-1000. Oh wait, it can steer trucks with it's computer mind. ::)
Die Hard 4 - The movie was by far over the top, but I was Ok with it. They got Bruce Willis' character right, and while they did the dopey sidekick thing, he actually played off Bruce Willis pretty well.
Rocky 6 - An improvement from the last few Rocky movies, It kinda got back to what the movies were originally about, the drama and not the fighting. I respected the movie for that, but like the originals, I could probably only watch the movie once every 7 years.
New Star Trek - I really loved the movie, not going to lie. I hated the whole teeny bopper feel of "ooh! Spock's dating uhura." If it's not Kirk and a space babe, I don't want to see it. 8)
Batman Begins - This movie and it's sequel were very good, but I feel they tried too hard to step the badass scale up. I also felt a little sour that all my friends were suddenly hating on the Tim Burton Batman movies.
Superman Returns - Ugh. What color kryptonite turns superman into a whiny ---tallywhacker---? This movie really defecates on the 75 year old american icon. Having him have an illegitimate son and run away from the entire planet only to return when he is needed the most - when Lex Luthor obtains 'land growing crystals' ooh! That's superman alright.
Planet of the Apes w Marky Mark - It's an abomination of the original Heston film, but a step up from the original sequals. My expectations were raised only because it was directed by Tim Burton. The day that first saw the film is the day that I learned a big budget doesn't necessarily help make a filmmaker's movie.
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New Star Trek - I really loved the movie, not going to lie. I hated the whole teeny bopper feel of "ooh! Spock's dating uhura." If it's not Kirk and a space babe, I don't want to see it. 8)
Oh, don't forget Rachel Nichols, who played the Orion Slave Girl! Sure Zoe Saldana is hot, but still. Once you go green... ...you know what I mean. (/me nods knowingly)
Batman Begins - This movie and it's sequel were very good, but I feel they tried too hard to step the badass scale up. I also felt a little sour that all my friends were suddenly hating on the Tim Burton Batman movies.
You mean Gruntman? I liked the portrayal, all except for the voice. For my money, the first Batman movie, with Michael Keaton, is still the best. (I saw that in the theatre - it rocked.)
Superman Returns - Ugh. What color kryptonite turns superman into a whiny ---tallywhacker---? This movie really defecates on the 75 year old american icon. Having him have an illegitimate son and run away from the entire planet only to return when he is needed the most - when Lex Luthor obtains 'land growing crystals' ooh! That's superman alright.
I hated, hated, hated Superman Returns, and had such high hopes. In the preview, where Kevin Spacey yelled, "WRONG!!!", I never thought he was talking about the plot. Oh, and what's with the damn blue contact lensed Supes, eh? Can we NOT find an actor with blue eyes, or even still, digitally fix them in every damn scene he's in? We're not stupid - I can spot a brown eyed person wearing blue contacts a mile away. Every time he was close up, I died a little more inside. And yeah, "Son of Superman"? PUUUUUUHHHHLLLLLLEEEEAAASSEEEE. Who didn't see that a mile away? Hate, hate, hate, hate that movie. I'd watch "Superman IV: The Quest For Peace" fifty more times before I'd sit through that lengthy piece of crap again.
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@Rick: I forgot about the R2 flying bit. :)
@Vigo: Wow...you really did a good job of ripping apart Star Wars and I agree 100%. They are still entertaining movies though, especially Episodes 4, 5 & 6 obviously.
As for the other movies I didn't really hate any of them except for the newly added Godzilla, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Friday The 13th.
I enjoyed Batman Begins but also hated that everyone started ripping on the Burton ones after. The problem was Batman Forever and Batman & Robin gave the Burton ones a bad name. The first one with Keaton and Nickelson is classic and played out perfectly like a comic book. The second one had flaws but was still decent.
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Oh yea...I forgot about Superman Returns. I also hated that movie with a passion.
Only redeeming quality (and it has been mentioned already) was the plane scene. The rest can go to hell. It was a let down. They should have never tried to make it a sequel of the original series and just rebooted the series. Actually they should have never made that movie period. I agree with Rick. I would watch Superman 3 & 4 before this movie again.
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I hated, hated, hated Superman Returns, and had such high hopes. In the preview, where Kevin Spacey yelled, "WRONG!!!", I never thought he was talking about the plot. Oh, and what's with the damn blue contact lensed Supes, eh? Can we NOT find an actor with blue eyes, or even still, digitally fix them in every damn scene he's in? We're not stupid - I can spot a brown eyed person wearing blue contacts a mile away. Every time he was close up, I died a little more inside. And yeah, "Son of Superman"? PUUUUUUHHHHLLLLLLEEEEAAASSEEEE. Who didn't see that a mile away? Hate, hate, hate, hate that movie. I'd watch "Superman IV: The Quest For Peace" fifty more times before I'd sit through that lengthy piece of crap again.
No you wouldnt. Cmon. ::) You know what I hated most about Superman Returns?!
His boots. :banghead:
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His entire "emo" wardrobe was horrifying. Tweaking the overall design is OK but Superman should always be dressed in bright colors! The airplane scene was awesome and the scene where he took out those dudes on the roof and got shot in the eye was pretty cool too. Too bad the entire plot was completely nonsensical and everything pertaining to his son was a complete waste of time - no one cares about that!
Part of the problem with Superman is that he is so powerful - I imagine it is hard to think of an enemy for him to face that truly poses a threat AND appeals to a mass audience. I'm not sure that Brainiac, Doomsday, Bizarro, Darkseid, Mr. Mxyzptlk, etc. are relatable to the mass audience a Superman movie is going after. General Zod is really the only great movie bad guy because you can think of him as an "evil" Superman. I don't know what they can do but anything will be better than Superman Returns. Also, I think they found a decent actor to play him - Brandon Routh looks like Superman to me. Too bad for him that the script sucked.
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Superman himself was a good cast, he had the look. He did feel a bit scrawney and lanky, but I am guessing it was completely that emo wardrobe to blame. I agree that superman returns did have a few very awesome moments though.
I was really hoping that superman returns would be a lot more like superman 2: It would have both a really menacing supervillian like Zod as well as Lex Luthor tring to bring superman down. I always thought Darkseid would be a awesome villian, but I don't know how well he would translate to live action. But after superman returns, I would even be ok with a solar powered, fingernail scratchy bad guy like in quest for peace. At least he had a vintage supervillain feel to him.
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His entire "emo" wardrobe was horrifying. Tweaking the overall design is OK but Superman should always be dressed in bright colors! The airplane scene was awesome and the scene where he took out those dudes on the roof and got shot in the eye was pretty cool too. Too bad the entire plot was completely nonsensical and everything pertaining to his son was a complete waste of time - no one cares about that!
Part of the problem with Superman is that he is so powerful - I imagine it is hard to think of an enemy for him to face that truly poses a threat AND appeals to a mass audience. I'm not sure that Brainiac, Doomsday, Bizarro, Darkseid, Mr. Mxyzptlk, etc. are relatable to the mass audience a Superman movie is going after. General Zod is really the only great movie bad guy because you can think of him as an "evil" Superman. I don't know what they can do but anything will be better than Superman Returns. Also, I think they found a decent actor to play him - Brandon Routh looks like Superman to me. Too bad for him that the script sucked.
You ever watch Smallville? I think Ultraman (the latest bad guy) is an awesome competitor. Even better than Doomsday and is on par with Zod.
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I thought the new Star Trek was a good way to redo the movies. That being said, it is/was getting a little stale for them to have time travel in another movie. That's about 3 movies or so with time travel....
I thought the new Casino Royale was a really good way to go with the Bond series. Of course, it's stagnant now with MGM in flux.
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I like the Bond "reboot" as well. The movies were getting beyond ridiculous with invisible cars and other off the wall nonsense. It needed a good dose of reality to save the franchise.
That being said, I am probably the only person on the planet who thought Daniel Craig was not the best Bond choice out there. I know why they picked him, they wanted the antithesis of Pierce Brosnan, and for that reason, Craig was a good choice. However, he doesn't seem to have scrap of charm in him, and he really isn't holding the role in the dignified way that Connery always could.
Don't burn me at the stake for heresy here. I just think they could have found someone with a little of that "charming son-of-a-gun" appeal.
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Don't burn me at the stake for heresy here. I just think they could have found someone with a little of that "charming son-of-a-gun" appeal.
I disagree - he has a "little" charm, but he's more in line with what Ian Fleming wrote originally. The whole "blunt instrument" line that M uses was taken from his original notes.
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I disagree - he has a "little" charm, but he's more in line with what Ian Fleming wrote originally. The whole "blunt instrument" line that M uses was taken from his original notes.
I agree with your disagreement. I've read a few of the books and (other than the hair) Craig matches Fleming's printed-Bond very well.
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I thought Casino Royale was much, much better than Quantum of Solace. I would like to see Craig in another one to see how they develop his character.
Some people think George Lazenby was the best Bond. :dizzy:
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For my money, the first Batman movie, with Michael Keaton, is still the best.
Didn't work for me. I just couldn't wrap my mind around Mr. Mom being Batman.
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Don't burn me at the stake for heresy here. I just think they could have found someone with a little of that "charming son-of-a-gun" appeal.
I disagree - he has a "little" charm, but he's more in line with what Ian Fleming wrote originally. The whole "blunt instrument" line that M uses was taken from his original notes.
In the novels, James Bond was compared multiple times to Hoagy Carmichael, a 1930's Jazz musician who was known for his suave charm. He was definitely described as incredibly charming.
Fleming did say Bond had cold eyes and a scar on his cheek though, so Craig was closer in the looks dept than Pierce Brosnan.
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How about Alien Resurrection? :puke Or AVP, for that matter... :banghead:
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Star Wars Prequels - Horrible actors, Horrible CGI (everything too clean, and characters that both looked & animated horribly.), horrible writing (kid had the greatest streak of dumb-LUCK in history). I saw Ep1 at theater & wanted to walk out, & the others I only caught on tv when nothing was on. What a massive pile of Crap.
Lucus proves that he cant be in full control of any project. The Originals were far superior in every way possible, because many more talented people had say in things.
Indiana Jones 4 - Huge disappointment, on one of my fav series. I wont see any more of them if they come out. Similar issues: Horrible Actor (indys son), horrible CGI aliens that some 10yr old could have made look better, Crystal that Bends?! Get real. Swinging from vines to catch up to a speeding van?! Well beyond a chance of believability, and it added nothing but "facepalm" to the film.
Its simply amazing though... cause even Harrison Ford (who could just about turn poop to gold) couldnt save this almighty brown turd.
Terminator 4 - T2 was one of my Favs. T3 was a cheesy blatant attempt to copy what made T2 a hit... and fell completely flat in every way. The main problem being that Whiny little wench "John Conner". His female com-padre was god-awful too. Even that new 'Hot' looking terminator could save that rotten seafood fest.
Im gagging just thinking back upon it.
Which brings me to T4. Didnt bother. T3 was such a stinker, there was no way Id pay to see it. I wont even bother to Pirate it, just to say Ive seen it.
Die Hard 4 - I thought it was Ok.
New Star Trek - Pretty good, but it was too much about introduction rather than juicy movie material. Good cast.
Batman Begins - I liked these. But, I hated the change in Batmans voice in the later film. Good casting.
Superman Returns - I never liked Superman. Its a Stupid concept. The guy is way too powerful to create much of a challenge for. I only saw this movie because it had parts in 3d... and sadly, the 3d they did was very poor quality at that time.
The movie was ok. I like that they left the possibility of much weaker half-superman. If the father dies... at least the son might make for a much better set of superman films... where there is actually a lot more danger for the Hero.
Nightmare on Elm Street - Ive watched almost all of these... and liked most of them...excluding #2. However, I have not seen the latest reboot, and doubt I will. The trailer w/ the new freddys voice is downright wretched. Sounds sorta like a drowsy nasally Clint Eastwood. (does not fit the part)
The crappy CGI scenes also turned my stomach. The original latex/lighting/puppetry stuff was 1000x better than that Crappy low-level CGI.
Nightmare #1 was still the Best of them. Doubt there will be another that will ever top it.
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Star Wars Prequels - Horrible actors, Horrible CGI (everything too clean, and characters that both looked & animated horribly.), horrible writing (kid had the greatest streak of dumb-LUCK in history). I saw Ep1 at theater & wanted to walk out, & the others I only caught on tv when nothing was on. What a massive pile of Crap.
Lucus proves that he cant be in full control of any project. The Originals were far superior in every way possible, because many more talented people had say in things.
Indiana Jones 4 - Huge disappointment, on one of my fav series. I wont see any more of them if they come out. Similar issues: Horrible Actor (indys son), horrible CGI aliens that some 10yr old could have made look better, Crystal that Bends?! Get real. Swinging from vines to catch up to a speeding van?! Well beyond a chance of believability, and it added nothing but "facepalm" to the film.
Its simply amazing though... cause even Harrison Ford (who could just about turn poop to gold) couldnt save this almighty brown turd.
Terminator 4 - T2 was one of my Favs. T3 was a cheesy blatant attempt to copy what made T2 a hit... and fell completely flat in every way. The main problem being that Whiny little wench "John Conner". His female com-padre was god-awful too. Even that new 'Hot' looking terminator could save that rotten seafood fest.
Im gagging just thinking back upon it.
Which brings me to T4. Didnt bother. T3 was such a stinker, there was no way Id pay to see it. I wont even bother to Pirate it, just to say Ive seen it.
Die Hard 4 - I thought it was Ok.
New Star Trek - Pretty good, but it was too much about introduction rather than juicy movie material. Good cast.
Batman Begins - I liked these. But, I hated the change in Batmans voice in the later film. Good casting.
Superman Returns - I never liked Superman. Its a Stupid concept. The guy is way too powerful to create much of a challenge for. I only saw this movie because it had parts in 3d... and sadly, the 3d they did was very poor quality at that time.
The movie was ok. I like that they left the possibility of much weaker half-superman. If the father dies... at least the son might make for a much better set of superman films... where there is actually a lot more danger for the Hero.
Nightmare on Elm Street - Ive watched almost all of these... and liked most of them...excluding #2. However, I have not seen the latest reboot, and doubt I will. The trailer w/ the new freddys voice is downright wretched. Sounds sorta like a drowsy nasally Clint Eastwood. (does not fit the part)
The crappy CGI scenes also turned my stomach. The original latex/lighting/puppetry stuff was 1000x better than that Crappy low-level CGI.
Nightmare #1 was still the Best of them. Doubt there will be another that will ever top it.
I could agree with most of what you said, although I would give Terminator 4 a chance. It is much better than T3. In my opinion it wasn't that bad. It is not anywhere as good as the first 2 though. And the CG Arnold scene is just odd looking, but it is worth watching once.
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Star Wars Prequels - Horrible actors, Horrible CGI (everything too clean, and characters that both looked & animated horribly.), horrible writing (kid had the greatest streak of dumb-LUCK in history). I saw Ep1 at theater & wanted to walk out, & the others I only caught on tv when nothing was on. What a massive pile of Crap.
Lucus proves that he cant be in full control of any project. The Originals were far superior in every way possible, because many more talented people had say in things.
I have to agree that poor use of CGI has soured a number of movies for me. Star wars prequels is the biggest of these. It's like these filmmakers think that we will be dazzled by their CGI, and forget how horrible the plot is. For most of us, muppets and latex makeup look much cooler than superimposed cartoon aliens running around the place. LoTR did it right with their special effects, CGI should be more reserved for the things that you can't easily make by other means.
Indiana Jones 4 - Huge disappointment, on one of my fav series. I wont see any more of them if they come out. Similar issues: Horrible Actor (indys son), horrible CGI aliens that some 10yr old could have made look better, Crystal that Bends?! Get real. Swinging from vines to catch up to a speeding van?! Well beyond a chance of believability, and it added nothing but "facepalm" to the film.
Its simply amazing though... cause even Harrison Ford (who could just about turn poop to gold) couldnt save this almighty brown turd.
Totally agree, but I don't think they even gave Harrison Ford the opportunity to fix the movie, they destroyed the Indy character too much by making him a confused old coot who never knew what was going on. :'( Indy was more along the lines of "bringing Grandpa along for the ride"
Superman Returns - I never liked Superman. Its a Stupid concept. The guy is way too powerful to create much of a challenge for. I only saw this movie because it had parts in 3d... and sadly, the 3d they did was very poor quality at that time.
The movie was ok. I like that they left the possibility of much weaker half-superman. If the father dies... at least the son might make for a much better set of superman films... where there is actually a lot more danger for the Hero.
This is my big disagreement, I think the superman concept is absolutely great. It really has a resonance of Greek Mythology to me. I think if they made a movie about a "captain wonderful" who couldn't be beat, yeah, it would be lame. Superman is different though. It has the right pieces in place to make it not about his powers, but his character.
Here we have someone who is superior in every way possible, and has the means possible to take over or destroy the world, yet selflessly devotes himself to protect it. He does not even abuse his powers enough to score with Lois Lane. The interest is in what makes this person defy all corruption, how enemies can find an Achilles heel in even someone who seems invincible, and how more often than not, it is not just his powers that give him the true advantage.
The thing is, superman is not just another comic book hero, Superman has that symbolic legend status, and I don't care about what his kid could do because he is weaker, nor even care to see Superman have a kid.
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T4 was pretty good. Way better than T3. I also like Die Hard 4.
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I always wondered why Eddie Furlong wasn't in T3, it's not like he's busy. Then I looked him up and saw some photos and good god he turned out hideous.
He topped out in Detroit Rock City.
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I always wondered why Eddie Furlong wasn't in T3, it's not like he's busy. Then I looked him up and saw some photos and good god he turned out hideous.
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I always wondered why Eddie Furlong wasn't in T3, it's not like he's busy. Then I looked him up and saw some photos and good god he turned out hideous.
He topped out in Detroit Rock City.
OHH MAN! Detroit Rock City was an awesome movie!!!
When the guy won the KISS tickets and was so excited he hung up the phone was hilarious.
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I always wondered why Eddie Furlong wasn't in T3, it's not like he's busy. Then I looked him up and saw some photos and good god he turned out hideous.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lIH5ZOiT7nY/TKqxOeRphyI/AAAAAAAAACk/Ih3MFDFJ1GM/s1600/furlongmd4.jpg)
:dunno What? Thats exactly how I pictured the savior of the human race.
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Dude needs to hit the gym. The ONLY thing he has to do is take care of himself and he can't even do that? So lazy.
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This is my big disagreement, I think the superman concept is absolutely great. It really has a resonance of Greek Mythology to me. I think if they made a movie about a "captain wonderful" who couldn't be beat, yeah, it would be lame. Superman is different though. It has the right pieces in place to make it not about his powers, but his character.
Here we have someone who is superior in every way possible, and has the means possible to take over or destroy the world, yet selflessly devotes himself to protect it. He does not even abuse his powers enough to score with Lois Lane. The interest is in what makes this person defy all corruption, how enemies can find an Achilles heel in even someone who seems invincible, and how more often than not, it is not just his powers that give him the true advantage.
The thing is, superman is not just another comic book hero, Superman has that symbolic legend status, and I don't care about what his kid could do because he is weaker, nor even care to see Superman have a kid.
I totally agree with you on this Vigo. Some people say that Superman is one dimensional, but I totally disagree. He is the ultimate Hero, his origin story is awesome, and there are just so many things you can do with him. Yup, "symbolic legend status" is a perfect way to describe it. Any doubters, read Kingdom Come, thats such a great book. Another thing about Superman is that ANYONE can beat him. Look at Batman, he has bested Supes a number of times and he is just a regular guy. Thats the beauty of it.
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Cameron and the rest of the crew were going to make a T3, but Furlong was in rehab at the time for cocaine addiction, so they scrapped the whole idea and Cameron and the studio lost the rights (they took too long to make another movie) so that idoiot jonathan mostow got it and made the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- he made. I wanted to like it SO BADLY but alas, it was terrible. Well, not terrible per se, I just had such high hopes and I was let down. Hard.
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urrrgh. Terminator Salvation had good effects and a lousy stupid story. And bad directing. I don't want to see another "MCG" movie ever again.
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i'm not voting on this poll until I see TRANSFORMERS on the list
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i'm not voting on this poll until I see TRANSFORMERS on the list
Shia Labeouf: Destroyer of franchise reboots. That guy has done so much damage my childhood memories....
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all this talk of emo characters and sequels yet no one mentions Spiderman 3?
you guys all have tl;dr issues.
T3 sucked, I hate Claire Danes shes a horrible horrible actress (I was also forced to watch Brokedwn Palace, which she also sucked in). T4 was ok but cant hold a candle to the first 2, 3 was just terrible.
Shia Labeouf can ruin everything. Indiana Joans, Transformers, Wall Street, and pretty much everything hes ever been in. He *ALMOST* ruined I, Robot which was based on a simply amazing series of books by Asimov.
EDIT for the anal retentive: I know "I, Robot" was based on the screen play "Hardwired" with Asimov ideas integrated, but the script Asimov wrote will never be a movie, so the Will Smith flick will have to suffice.
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The best part of Spider-Man 3 was when the meteor crashed 10 feet away from them and they didn't notice. Also liked all the random continuity breaks.
That movie more or less killed my interest in super hero movies. They ALL have the SAME plot. ZzzzZZZzzz.....
Peter Parker's emo hair? The dance scene? The fact they conceded that Spiderman couldnt stop the SandMan? Tohper Grace as Venom? The bad CGI? Venom's web thing? The changing blast radius of the goblin bombs? sooo many things.
After SM1 set up the characters, and 2 made them all seem so real, 3 was suuuucccchhhh a let down, especially considering I am was such a mark for Venom. They didnt use either storyline as a base either, infinity wars or the ultimate series where the venom sybiate was an attempt cure for cancer.
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I hate Spiderman 3 more than I hate Batman and Robin. That should explain everything. Eat a fat one Sam Raimi. 2 was superb(except spidey losing his powers, that was lame) 1 was amazing(haha) but 3 was an abomination. I could go on for days about that garbage. Venom is one of my favorite marvel characters, I dont want to get started on how they butchered him.
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I still hate that they didn't work the Dr. Connors angle. I mean, he was in every single movie, but no superpowers for him? Also, itty bitty venom was crap.
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Shia Labeouf can ruin everything. Indiana Joans, Transformers, Wall Street, and pretty much everything hes ever been in. He *ALMOST* ruined I, Robot which was based on a simply amazing series of books by Asimov.
I haven't been able to see Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps yet. Was he that bad in it? I've avoided reading anything about it. Until now...
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The best part of Spider-Man 3 was when the meteor crashed 10 feet away from them and they didn't notice. Also liked all the random continuity breaks.
That movie more or less killed my interest in super hero movies. They ALL have the SAME plot. ZzzzZZZzzz.....
Peter Parker's emo hair? The dance scene? The fact they conceded that Spiderman couldnt stop the SandMan? Tohper Grace as Venom? The bad CGI? Venom's web thing? The changing blast radius of the goblin bombs? sooo many things.
After SM1 set up the characters, and 2 made them all seem so real, 3 was suuuucccchhhh a let down, especially considering I am was such a mark for Venom. They didnt use either storyline as a base either, infinity wars or the ultimate series where the venom sybiate was an attempt cure for cancer.
While we are on the subject of comic movies. X-Men 3 was soooo ---smurfy--- too. First two were decent and then 3...made me not even bother to see Wolverine Origins. And I am scared to even look at the Green Lantern movie starring that freaking Dane Cook wanna be frat boy that ruined Blade 3 (Why are the super hero movies always ruined at 3?)
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While we are on the subject of comic movies. X-Men 3 was soooo ---smurfy--- too. First two were decent and then 3...made me not even bother to see Wolverine Origins. And I am scared to even look at the Green Lantern movie starring that freaking Dane Cook wanna be frat boy that ruined Blade 3 (Why are the super hero movies always ruined at 3?)
I dont think Ryan Reynolds ruined Blade 3, I think the story did. Wolverine Origins seems to catch flack but I thought it was pretty good but again, Im a HUGE Wolverine mark. Warning Ryan Reynolds is in it, lol
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While we are on the subject of comic movies. X-Men 3 was soooo ---smurfy--- too. First two were decent and then 3...made me not even bother to see Wolverine Origins. And I am scared to even look at the Green Lantern movie starring that freaking Dane Cook wanna be frat boy that ruined Blade 3 (Why are the super hero movies always ruined at 3?)
I dont think Ryan Reynolds ruined Blade 3, I think the story did. Wolverine Origins seems to catch flack but I thought it was pretty good but again, Im a HUGE Wolverine mark. Warning Ryan Reynolds is in it, lol
I actually like Ryan Reynolds in Blade 3. He had some great one-liners in there...
And at least Blade 3 was an improvement over the 2nd one.
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Eat a fat one Sam Raimi.
Careful, nobody tells Sam Raimi to eat a fat one and lives to tell about it.
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While we are on the subject of comic movies. X-Men 3 was soooo ---smurfy--- too. First two were decent and then 3...made me not even bother to see Wolverine Origins. And I am scared to even look at the Green Lantern movie starring that freaking Dane Cook wanna be frat boy that ruined Blade 3 (Why are the super hero movies always ruined at 3?)
I dont think Ryan Reynolds ruined Blade 3, I think the story did. Wolverine Origins seems to catch flack but I thought it was pretty good but again, Im a HUGE Wolverine mark. Warning Ryan Reynolds is in it, lol
I actually like Ryan Reynolds in Blade 3. He had some great one-liners in there...
And at least Blade 3 was an improvement over the 2nd one.
@Malenko: I hate Ryan Reynolds. I don't find him the least bit funny and tries too hard to be Dane Cook who I also hate. I did read that Ryan Reynolds was in Wolverine and also heard he did not make a good Deadpool. To each their own I guess. I will watch it one day as I am also a big X-Men/Wolverine fan.
@Haruman: I thought Blade 1 & 2 was much better than 3. There was too much comic relief in 3..and I thought the story was bland. I lost interest half way through. But again..to each their own. It still seems like most comic movies fall apart or go under at Part 3.
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Ryan Reynolds doesnt really try to be dane cook to me, I mean he was cracking me up in 2 guys, a girl , and a pizza place. Van Wider is one of my fave movies too. I thought he made a great Wade Wilson, the way the movie handle the deadpool character is what was terrible about it, like taking Wraiths teleport ability instead of a teleport device; and Cyclop's Optic Blast. Dont get me started on the swords in his arms. The worst part about the wolverine movie is Gambit. So terrible. And if you havent played the 360/PS3 game, you should. its freekin awesome; you can prolly get it for like 10 bux nowadays
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Ryan Reynolds doesnt really try to be dane cook to me, I mean he was cracking me up in 2 guys, a girl , and a pizza place. Van Wider is one of my fave movies too. I thought he made a great Wade Wilson, the way the movie handle the deadpool character is what was terrible about it, like taking Wraiths teleport ability instead of a teleport device; and Cyclop's Optic Blast. Dont get me started on the swords in his arms. The worst part about the wolverine movie is Gambit. So terrible. And if you havent played the 360/PS3 game, you should. its freekin awesome; you can prolly get it for like 10 bux nowadays
Never seen Van Wilder, though I hear it is quite funny. I will give it a go some day.
I have played the Wolverine game on 360 and it is very good. Probably the best Movie->Game ever.
I will try and watch both movies this weekend and give them a try. I guess my issue is I am not that big of a comedy guy. I tend to enjoy action, sci-fi, and horror the most (not modern horror remakes though. I like the older horror). And I get annoyed when they try to blend comedy into the comic movies unless it is that type of comic.
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Van Wilder is a very, very formula fitting College comedy, but the antics in the movie are pretty funny. I wouldn't call it a "must see", but if you have the chance, its worth the rental.
I'm more of a late 70's through 80's comedy guy though. The Jerk is probably my favorite comedy of all time.
And I get annoyed when they try to blend comedy into the comic movies unless it is that type of comic.
You got to love the old Adam West batman though! :lol
(http://user.it.uu.se/~frho1323/BatmanWithBomb.jpg)
"Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb."
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Eat a fat one Sam Raimi.
Careful, nobody tells Sam Raimi to eat a fat one and lives to tell about it.
I had to kill some Deadites this morning, so, if thats all he is going to throw at me, then I can handle it. The rain gave me more trouble. ;)
Im quite a fan of Ryan Reynolds. I liked him in Van Wilder, and Waiting, pretty much the same character, but funny nonetheless. Im actually excited to see Green Lantern, probably because I dont know anything about him.
Wolverine was god awful, sabretooth was retarded, and the whole story was just terrible. It was pretty hard to watch. Darren Aronofsky is supposed to do the sequel called "The Wolverine". He got taken off of the Robocop remake. I LOVE Wolverine, so, it was hard to see the Origins movie. It was trash. :angry:
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I'm more of a late 70's through 80's comedy guy though. The Jerk is probably my favorite comedy of all time.
You got to love the old Adam West batman though! :lol
(http://user.it.uu.se/~frho1323/BatmanWithBomb.jpg)
"Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb."
I am also more of a 70s and 80s guy too. Especially when it comes to horror, the new horror sucks big time. Yes The Jerk is a classic comedy.
I do like the old Adam West Batman, but it was meant to be funny and at the time that was how the comic was. Believe it or not, the Adam West Batman was pretty faithful to the Batman comics of the 50s and 60s. It wasn't until the 70s that they changed Batman back into the style Tim Burton took for the first movie. I have all of the Batman DC Archives in Hardcover and it is funny to read the early work from the 30s, He started out like the Tim Burton version back then and even killed the criminals. Sometimes pretty brutally and had no care in the world about it. Then they introduced Robin and everything turned into Adam West Batman until the late 70s.
I prefer the dark and brooding Batman over the Adam West campy Batman, but I do have a love for both versions.