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saint:
Probably a good time to repost this link :)

http://arcadecontrols.com/BYOAC-and-MAME.shtml

Haze:

--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 03, 2010, 10:07:18 am ---Thank you for that.  :applaud:

And thanks for updating your previous post to reflect your change of heart.  So with that change you fail to mention game operators who have MsPacman units available for purchase.  Does the Mame program deny Namco Bandai revenue for these machines, purely because you cannot use MAME in a commercial venture or does it promote it due to exposure?  It looks that way doesn't it?

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This doesn't make sense, so if this isn't the answer you're expecting then I don't know what you want to hear?  Once the game unit has been sold by Namco in the first place, they earn no more money from it.  Namco may earn money from further direct sales of the units.  If people want further units they must buy them from an operator selling them used, or Namco / a Namco partner.  Those are their legal options.  MAME doesn't even come into this, because MAME can't be used as a direct replacement.  If said operator doesn't care about the law they have plenty of options other than MAME.  The only revenue MAME is denying is that of people trying to sell it as a replacement for the real thing due to perodic crackdowns on people selling such machines on eBay etc.

The number of bootleg MsPacman PCBs far outweighs the number of illegal commercial MAME cabs, and probably even original MsPacman PCBs anyway.  If anything MAME can help an operator identify their MsPacman as a bootleg, and therefore may encourage them to replace it with an original, again, it's a useful tool.


--- Quote ---I'll ask Haze a simple straight forward question and call it a day:

Breaking encryption in games that MAME supports (like CPS2) from various Mamedevs - Does that give you license to perform these actions purely based on preservation of arcade games, and if so, where does MAME sit on the legality of such actions, with regard to the DMCA rulings?

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CPS2 encryption was worked on by devs in Finland, Spain and Italy.  The DMCA doesn't apply and wasn't even a consideration for those working on it.  MAME documents what is required for interoperability with the original software, and to use it you must still have the original software which isn't supplied with MAME.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: versapak on February 03, 2010, 10:24:39 am ---ark_ader:

Your argument is that because MAME gives people the ability to play games illegally (without permission of copyright holder) that they have no standing to say how MAME itself is used?

Are manufacturers of CD/DVD burners responsible for piracy that takes place with their product?

What about hard drive manufacturers? MP3 players?


Okay that is all hardware...



What about Windows Media Player? I can watch pirated movies and music to my hearts content with that software.

Does MS have no rightful claim in how that software is used because of that?


Maybe I just have your argument wrong, but it seems you are just arguing a point that is pointless.




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No its a very good point you are making and off topic but I will respond to it.

Mame is software that reproduces the same hardware found in old arcade machines - which preserves the game software from becoming lost.  Thus if a company wishes to release their software roms (Exidy for example) users can play the games as intended as a nice side effect. 

Manufacturers of CD/DVD/BR/Cassette/4 Track etc make products to record media on.  Primarily YOUR MEDIA THAT YOU CREATE, not somebody else's.  Data backup, images large file sizes of personall data included.

Mp3s - for online music from a distribution outlet like iTunes or YOUR OWN MEDIA THAT YOU CREATE.

What you do with this media is up to you and you alone.  Nobody makes these decisions for you.  You are responsible for your actions.

So your post is incredibly important as it demonstrates that we have the capacity to copy anything, but we also have the ability to choose if we want to or not. Or if we should or not.  Mamedevs always had the option to either allow game roms to function or not.

Incidentally Daphne now requests that you provide a purchased version of Dragon's Lair DVD before it allows you to download a better/working copy for it's emulator.  Something I bet is beneficial to Digital Leisure.  Kudos to them.

Mame is nothing but a normal (yet interesting) program without the ROMS.  Nobody forces you to get all the ROMS.

Films the same argument - nobody forces you to watch pirated movies.  You can buy them when they come out on DVD.

Very important observation!  :cheers:

jcterzin:

--- Quote ---can't we all just get along and RESPECT MAME DEV wishes and not USE the program for commercial.
If you want to do such a thing, make your own program and get the rights for the ROM/GAMES so you can make money from it (just lke D.F.)
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That is the aim im going for at this point. After all of these posts, I'm planning on respecting the wishes of the MAMEdev's. I do have a couple of friends that are interested in helping me write our own emulation code to play these roms (yes, I will get legal ones and permission). We plan on trying to work from the ground up but if the code they use (I imagine it will be in C programming language) is kinda like the mame one due to the fact that they both use the same code language... where does that stand? It would be nice if we could re-write RAINE a bit to get the roms to work, but its my programmer friends not I that know how to program.

And if anyone cares to help make an emulator that you can use for commercial, Im sure they wouldn't mind the help.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: Haze on February 03, 2010, 10:32:22 am ---
CPS2 encryption was worked on by devs in Finland, Spain and Italy.  The DMCA doesn't apply and wasn't even a consideration for those working on it.  MAME documents what is required for interoperability with the original software, and to use it you must still have the original software which isn't supplied with MAME.



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For you information:

Italy

http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/text_html.jsp?lang=en&id=2475

Finland

http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/details.jsp?id=1512

Spain

http://www.wipo.int/clea/en/details.jsp?id=1373

Everybody and his brother

http://www.wipo.int/directory/en/urls.jsp

Be nice if you sticky this please Saint.

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