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Franco B:

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--- Quote from: Malenko on January 01, 2010, 02:43:13 pm ---not gonna happen, sorry

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c'mon there we go with the negativity.

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That isn't negativity....that's reality.

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+1.1^∞

mimic:
Wow, I cannot believe you guys! You're so defeated and so sure, even though not one of you know for sure, because how would you!? Let's talk numbers then, even if they're imaginary.
Let's say they would make $50 profit on each set x 1000 units = $50,000, you gonna tell me that's a chump change to them not worth pursuing!? if you think that you gotta be kidding me.
Let me ask you how many different tv/monitor manufacturers there is? Either with their own factories or some kind of agreements with big manufacturers 100, 200? How many total monitors/tvs of each model a year can they possibly sell? 1,000,000? More or less? I mean how often do you buy tv, it's not grocery.
I just purchased a tv on black friday Auria, never heard of it, it was only available in Compu USA, you gonna tell me they sell piles of tvs? They wouldn't jump on opportunity of selling 800 - 2000 monitors? How hard can it possibly be for them to retool and cut 26" of 4:3 LCDs. I don't think it's such a black magic to them as you guys think.
All I'm saying one web page with signatures on it + collecting & emailing those signatures to every maker we can find, that's not such a mundane task is it?

CheffoJeffo:
While I hate to be negative about something like this ... I think that you are grossly underestimating the market.

Most people in this hobby (CoinOp, not just MAME) want tubed monitors, so you've already lost a big chunk there. For folks wanting 27" 4:3 monitor, they aren't exactly hard to find in CRT ... so there is a another bunch of folks who drop off.

Of those who want LCDs, I suspect a sizable percentage aren't too upset about widescreen since they can be used for other PC games.

There are professional suppliers who can't seem to get what you think a random gang of gamers can.

If you want to start something, I would suggest talking to someone who deals with this stuff professionally first -- RickN of Nieman Displays posts here and may be able to share some insight.

DJ_Izumi:
Yes that's chump change.  To even make a new kinda TV, you need to retool a factory to make that model.  You need to sell a LOT of units to make it profitable.  Like hundreds of thousands.

4:3 is obsolete, everything new coming out will be 16:9 or close eto that.  TV signals, blurays, video gamese, all 16:9.  4:3 for a bunch of nerds playing twenty year old arcade games that normal people would just buy on Xbox Live is a tiny, TINY niche market.

Besides, ten years from now, MAME will be emulating 16:9 native arcade games. :P

SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 01, 2010, 07:25:50 pm ---While I hate to be negative about something like this ... I think that you are grossly underestimating the market.

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--- Quote from: mimic on January 01, 2010, 06:58:08 pm ---Let me ask you how many different tv/monitor manufacturers there is? Either with their own factories or some kind of agreements with big manufacturers 100, 200? How many total monitors/tvs of each model a year can they possibly sell? 1,000,000? More or less? I mean how often do you buy tv, it's not grocery.

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I think it's more like a misunderstanding of the market.The heyday of many manufacturers making effectively the same thing are gone... long gone. Most everything is consolidated into just a mere handful of manufacturers. I guess a good example would be Intel/AMD/IBM for CPUs or ATI/nVidia/Intel for GPUs These companies combined dominate so much of their specific market that no one else is worth mentioning. There's a reason why oligopoly (or inaccurately, monopoly) is often used when referring to these companies and their markets.


--- Quote from: mimic on January 01, 2010, 06:58:08 pm ---I just purchased a tv on black friday Auria, never heard of it, it was only available in Compu USA, you gonna tell me they sell piles of tvs? They wouldn't jump on opportunity of selling 800 - 2000 monitors?

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Auria was started in 2008. I have my serious doubts that Auria is capable of establishing a complete R&D and manufacturing facility in such a short amount of time. It's more likely that, at best, they have a design department design their TVs using off-the-shelf components. That would explain their lower prices. Auria might not even have an assembly plant anywhere. I used to work for a PC company and we would assemble (that company didn't do any actual manufacturing either. They design PC components or establish specifications and a price ceiling and order the components from still yet another company) and rebadge the custom PC's for whomever we were building them for.

So yes, 1M would literally be a drop in the bucket when the EPA estimated 154 million PCs in existence by 2000. If we conservatively estimate an average of 12.3 million PC's sold a year with nearly all being sold with LCD monitors coupled with the exploding market of flat TVs, HUDs and whatever else flat monitors are being used. It's easy to see that, with an order of 1M panels, a company will take you seriously enough to sell their stock, but not enough to cause them to retool one of their lines.


--- Quote from: mimic on January 01, 2010, 06:58:08 pm --- How hard can it possibly be for them to retool and cut 26" of 4:3 LCDs. I don't think it's such a black magic to them as you guys think.
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Magic? I don't think anyone thinks any part of the process is black magic. Voodoo perhaps, especially when trying to write a controller to talk to one of these panels. But certainly not black magic. I would take CheffoJeffo's advice to heart and talk to someone who is in the industry.


--- Quote from: mimic on January 01, 2010, 06:58:08 pm ---All I'm saying one web page with signatures on it + collecting & emailing those signatures to every maker we can find, that's not such a mundane task is it?

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Someone already did all the heavy lifting.

No one is really discouraging you from doing what you want. God knows I want 4:3 panels. But you need to be a little bit more realistic about it.

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