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DJ_Izumi:
However, as I see it there really is no need to petition companies.  The consumer is always voting for a company when he makes a purchase.  Retailers take note of what the consumers statistically prefer and the manufacturers take note and adjust their products to consumer demands.  Because obviously, the person who sells the product the consumer wants, will get the sales.  So if enough people need composite or RF (Okay RF will probaby die off before composite) for their connected devices, they'll buy TVs that support it and the manufactures will take note.  Considdering that component will probably last the longest, as so many older HD devices are on component without HDMI it'll stick around, the hardware will likely keep 'legacy ports' for a while.  Granted they're will probably be fewer and fewer of them.

That and seperate converter boxes will probably get smaller anyway as technology always gets smaller. :)  Could be something the size of an iPhone in a few years.

Blanka:

--- Quote from: DJ_Izumi on January 02, 2010, 11:53:25 am ---The consumer is always voting for a company when he makes a purchase.  Retailers take note of what the consumers statistically prefer and the manufacturers take note and adjust their products to consumer demands.
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That only works on the downvoting side. Stopping a stupid product with consumer behavior is easy, promoting stuff that isn't made yet is completely impossible this way. So your theory works in one way, not the way we need here.

Asking for new stuff only works if you are willing to pay the development, or if a company specifically asks to give input like with co-creation sessions or so. I can think of at least 10 products that would exist on consumer behavior, yet no company makes.

bkenobi:
While I agree that a decent sized 4:3 display would be awesome, think about things for a second.  If you were given the choice between buying a 27" 4:3 LCD for ~$5000 to install in your existing cabinet or buying a 42" 16:9 LCD for ~$500 and building a Viewlix style cab for ~$1000, what would you do?

Understanding that my numbers are just ballpark, you would be WAY further ahead just building a new cab and moving on.  You would still be better off if you were to buy an official Viewlix for that matter.  The problem is that small production runs of CUSTOM equipment, while possible, are VERY expensive.  If you divide out the tooling cost for a product by 1 (one off) or 1M, the difference in product cost to the end user is enormously different.

Now, I haven't taken a manufacturing course in ~10 years, but I guarantee that things have not changed significantly.  The tooling costs are one of the most important things when it comes to deciding on whether to go forward on a product.  If they can't sell enough units, the manufacturer won't make the widget. 

Just to drive the point home...more money is spent on deciding whether a product is viable than that estimated $50,000 profit that was listed earlier.

Sorry, this won't happen unless some big boy steps up and says they need a bazillion units.

RayB:
The only way an "idea" like this can work, is YOU get the cash to PAY a factory to make these 10,000 monitors for you, and YOU sell them, (since you are the one so sure there is a market). That's how it works in reality.

Back on topic of # of manufacturers, it really is a small handful these days. If you crack open a Toshiba, it's full of Samsung parts. The glass used for plasma screens (maybe LCD too?) is manufactured by ONE company for all the various big brands.

mimic:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 01, 2010, 07:25:50 pm ---While I hate to be negative about something like this ... I think that you are grossly underestimating the market.

Most people in this hobby (CoinOp, not just MAME) want tubed monitors, so you've already lost a big chunk there. For folks wanting 27" 4:3 monitor, they aren't exactly hard to find in CRT ... so there is a another bunch of folks who drop off.

Of those who want LCDs, I suspect a sizable percentage aren't too upset about widescreen since they can be used for other PC games.

There are professional suppliers who can't seem to get what you think a random gang of gamers can.

If you want to start something, I would suggest talking to someone who deals with this stuff professionally first -- RickN of Nieman Displays posts here and may be able to share some insight.


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To all those points. I've seen people constantly wishing and talking about what if, so I had an idea.


--- Quote from: DJ_Izumi on January 01, 2010, 07:29:32 pm ---Yes that's chump change.  To even make a new kinda TV, you need to retool a factory to make that model.  You need to sell a LOT of units to make it profitable.  Like hundreds of thousands.


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I was talking about 50K pure profit, large or small company I don't think 50K is a chump change for any one. Profit is profit, if you walk away from profit, then you're lazy.


--- Quote from: SavannahLion on January 02, 2010, 12:04:09 am ---

I think it's more like a misunderstanding of the market...

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Your explanation unfortunately makes a lot of sense and I see now how it is futile


--- Quote from: DJ_Izumi on January 02, 2010, 02:35:09 am ---So uhh, why not just mount a 16:9 monitor in your cab, but have it so the sides are covered behind the bezel or whatever, feed it a 4:3 signal and set the TV to not resize and instead pillar box?  It seems to me that'd be a HELL of a lot easier, though you'd need to spare some space on teh edge of the wood going around the monitor so it could cover up those edges.

If I was repairing active use coinops from older years and wanted to move to LCDs, I'd look into that option instead.

Or heck, just pillar box without covering the pillars.  Those 16:9 screens are gonna come in handy for newer things, SFIV for example.

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Because it will make the cab that much wider or cumbersome to deal with + what I said to CheffoJeffo


--- Quote from: RayB on January 02, 2010, 07:09:08 pm ---The only way an "idea" like this can work, is YOU get the cash to PAY a factory to make these 10,000 monitors for you, and YOU sell them, (since you are the one so sure there is a market). That's how it works in reality.

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I already addressed the issue of money earlier in my post. You must've missed it


--- Quote from: RayB on January 02, 2010, 07:09:08 pm ---
Back on topic of # of manufacturers, it really is a small handful these days. If you crack open a Toshiba, it's full of Samsung parts. The glass used for plasma screens (maybe LCD too?) is manufactured by ONE company for all the various big brands.


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SavannahLion already explaind that issue no need to repeat it.

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