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shardian:

--- Quote from: Hoopz on February 05, 2010, 03:23:46 pm ---He's just an idiot and liar now.  He may still be a thief but I'm not sure that it's intentional. 

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All would be forgiven with some simple action, and an apology.

ratzz:
LOL!

A while ago (a long while ago!), I advised people who were pre-ordering and waiting for the “inconsistencies in the powder coating process” (remember that old chestnut), and I quote ...

October 27, 2007 - Ratzz

“Sorry ... sounds like more hot air to me.

Noone should order until they have problems sorted. why should you fund these delays?

BAD excuses ...

RUN ... RUN AS FAS AS YOU CAN ...”

These are my exact words ... and I took flak for it. From Saint (who eventually closed the thread as not to tarnish David’s rep any more – nice freedom of speech, buddy!), and other members of this community. In fact Saint replied with

“I'm seriously thinking of putting in a pre-order  ;D  David, you still accepting those?” – You’ve got yours I take it Saint?

I was so pissed off with Saints stance on this that I took a break from the forum. It seemed that the “Master CPU” was siding with the enemy, and not the community, and I only checked in infrequently to the forum – it left a bad taste. I don’t check in with Saint any more, I catch up with the community.

Anyway, not to worry, as on the thread Dave said:

“Rattz.  It seems to me that you're trolling for a fight.  Not going to happen with me, buddy.  Hot air.  Scam.  LOL  Let's just agree to disagree and leave it there.”

Havok:

“Ratzz,

He is a vendor, like he says: he has delivered on other arcade related parts. In fact a number of members here have dealt with him in the past. I'm one of the pre-orders, (lol - the dirty dozen!) and I personally am sticking this one out - the return is worth the wait.

David - since you have the equipment now and are just waiting on the hookups before proceeding, what kind of time frame do you expect once you are fully operational?”

Anyway, there is plenty more to this “saga” at: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64536.0

TPB:

--- Quote from: Hoopz on February 05, 2010, 03:23:46 pm ---
If this was a scam, which I don't believe it is,


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No, I don't believe it's a scam either.  It's a scheme, not a scam.

If the yokes arrive eventually, as they probably will, then the "end result" is not a scam.

But this sure appears as a scheme he devised to get himself through a cash flow problem.  He would justify his actions to himself as a means to an end, thinking that if people want him to finish the yokes, then he needs their cash to help him through his (hopefully temporary) money issues.

If anyone has another plausible explanation for Dave creating this thread and making these comments, I'd like to hear it :


--- Quote from: Daviea on December 27, 2009, 10:32:43 pm ---
the yoke controllers are done and shipping!!


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--- Quote from: Daviea - KLOV forum - December 31, 2009, 12:13 PM ---
Havok, your controller is on it's way right now. Enjoy!!!!


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... This can't be explained by saying he's too busy or disorganised.  To have not shipped a solitary yoke in all that time, not even Havok's yoke which he said was "on its way right now".

saint:

--- Quote from: ratzz on February 05, 2010, 04:21:09 pm ---From Saint (who eventually closed the thread as not to tarnish David’s rep any more – nice freedom of speech, buddy!), and other members of this community. In fact Saint replied with

“I'm seriously thinking of putting in a pre-order  ;D  David, you still accepting those?” – You’ve got yours I take it Saint?



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Anyone who questions why I closed the thread should read the last two pages of the thread. It never ceases to boggle me that anytime I shut down a thread that's getting out of hand, someone with an axe to grind accuses me of censorship. If I was trying to protect someone's reputation then leaving the thread there for everyone to see was a pretty stupid way to do so. I don't do operate like that. I bend over backwards to run this forum in an as open and fair a way as I can, only stepping in when threads jump the shark. When a thread degenerates into fighting, flaming, and name calling I put an end to it. I think that's resulted in a pretty good forum. Visit other forums where they don't if that's more your cup of tea, "buddy."


--- Quote ---I was so pissed off with Saints stance on this that I took a break from the forum. It seemed that the “Master CPU” was siding with the enemy, and not the community, and I only checked in infrequently to the forum – it left a bad taste. I don’t check in with Saint any more, I catch up with the community.

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Running this forum does not preclude me from having and stating my own opinions. I'm entitled to have them, and if I feel strongly enough about them I'll state them -- or would you have me censor myself? Screw that. People are welcome to agree or disagree, and disregard my opinions as much as anyone elses. It is arrogant presumption to tell me I'm not entitled to have an opinion just because I run the forum. Getting pissed off because I dared to speak my mind?   :dizzy:

I'd have bet on this horse and if I had had the money I would have pre-ordered. It looks like that would have been a poor choice. If I had a pre-order in, I would write Dave and demand my product be shipped with proof of shipping, or a refund issued within a couple of days, or I would exercise whatever options I had to get my money back.

My personal opinion (note the word personal, thanks) is that Shardian is probably closest to the mark and this is a business venture going (gone?) south, not an attempt at scamming. I still have hopes but little confidence. The acid test will be if/when people start asking for refunds and if they receive them.

--- saint


ark_ader:

--- Quote from: TPB on February 05, 2010, 04:22:56 pm ---
If anyone has another plausible explanation for Dave creating this thread and making these comments, I'd like to hear it :


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I have done business with Dave before and he has come though with the goods.

Saint is right and the people out there getting all excited over this is not helping.

Sounding off against Saint is very unfair. 

I hate to see it, just send our host a PM and discuss it like a gentleman.  :angry:

Something has gone wrong with Dave's shipping or building process and I'm sure it is temporary.

We should all know by now that delays do happen in the gaming industry, especially if you cannot devote 100% of time to it.

An Explanation?   Well if this product was software it would remind me of...

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