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New HAPP horizontal pushbuttons sux! Stay away!
Ginsu Victim:
Funny thing is, I have both and I like the Happ better. I don't care for the way the IL feel.
RandyT:
Lots of conjecture here, but not much in the way of accurate information, I'm afraid.
The newer buttons (and not really all that new....they have been like this for more than a year now) do indeed have the Suzo-Happ logo on the legs of them. The buttons with no markings prior to these were still HAPP buttons, made from HAPP molds, and were not IL parts. Anything before that must have been from ages ago.
There is more space between the actuators than there used to be. Whether this is an issue or not, appears to be a matter of preference. The extra distance seems to have been intended to allow the plunger to sit higher when not being pressed, but still drop to the same nearly flush to the bezel level when it is. The concave curve of the plunger is also a little deeper, which holds your fingertip a little better than the earlier style.
There are pros and cons to both designs.
RandyT
Jack Burton:
I pretty much just avoid buying anything that isn't guaranteed to be IL parts these days.
There is so much confusion on the internet when it comes to what are Happ parts that you never know exactly what you're going to get.
In the past Happ may have had some good products, but the sure bet is on Il.
I don't even worry about buying new Happ parts since there are dozes of vendors who still have huge stocks of Il competition sticks and buttons, both concave and convex.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Jack Burton on October 28, 2009, 03:41:48 am ---I pretty much just avoid buying anything that isn't guaranteed to be IL parts these days.
There is so much confusion on the internet when it comes to what are Happ parts that you never know exactly what you're going to get.
In the past Happ may have had some good products, but the sure bet is on Il.
I don't even worry about buying new Happ parts since there are dozes of vendors who still have huge stocks of Il competition sticks and buttons, both concave and convex.
--- End quote ---
HAPP still has good products. You just can't buy them from a vendor who moves them from their incoming box, into your outgoing box without looking at them.
The HAPP pushbuttons and joysticks are an amazing value, considering their cost.
IL is also not immune from issues, BTW. In a "head to head" I did on the "competition" style sticks a while back, the IL's did a weird double click on some of the microswitches that was actually a little worse than a similar condition being complained about on the HAPP version.
And while I personally think the microswitches should be higher on the buttons, it's a design decision, not a "flaw". You can't make the plunger sit higher in the bezel for aesthetic reasons without doing this, unless you also increase the seated height. It's a physical impossibility, without doing something like adding a foam cushion to the actuator (and that's just crazy). So while it may not appeal to some (and this is the first complaint I have seen in the year+ since the transition) it's not a "quality" issue.
RandyT
AndyWarne:
IL do produce unbranded buttons for Suzo-Happ because thats exactly what we buy from them.
The pushbuttons we sell are genuine IL buttons, packed in IL boxes. They do not have the IL logo on the buttons though.
We buy them from Suzo-Happ because its convenient to do so as they are 2 miles from us.
IL have several moldsets. The molds without the IL logo are used to produce OEM pushbuttons and the ones with IL are their own branded but they are identical apart from the logo.
As with many Happ items, when Happ bought ChinaTec, they started producing more of their own items rather than buying-in, and I would assume the buttons in question here are from China. I have never seen these.
Incidentally we specify Cherry switches which Suzo-Happ supply. If the switch is not specifically ordered as Cherry, they supply other makes.
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