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Happ to stop using Cherry switches
RandyT:
--- Quote from: goldznnz on September 27, 2010, 09:06:45 pm ---I didn't test every single one, but i sure tested ALOT of microswitch comparisons
between the cherry KWJA and the E-switch brand. The activation point differences was
very obvious, as in night and day my friend.
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I think what you will find is that the tension after actuation is higher on the Cherry's than it is on the E-Switch. It's difficult to stop the travel on the E-Switch, because the bottom drops out. It makes you think the actuation point is lower than it is. But if you are comparing it to a "20-25 gram switch" with the same model number, like the one I told you I tested, I'm not surprised at your conclusion. It's the same one I came to with that switch.
--- Quote ---Conclusion: There is E-switch is a "close" match to KWJA specs but not exact. They may be using a different
method in calculating grams of force between the KWJA and the e-switch causing this discrepency. KWJA is
definitely softer of the two micros.
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Well, there is really only one method to calculate it. It's standardized, and I'm not responsible for any misleading here. The parts are, what the parts are. I guess the only thing I can tell you is that the supposed "75 gram" switch is no such thing. If it were, you would absolutely hate it and you obviously don't :). And to further complicate the issue, HAPP doesn't actually connect a model number to the part number (online catalog), but it does say 75gram. The Cherry documentation also states "75gram", but even the stiffer parts are not 75 gram, rather closer to 50.
The only thing that can be extrapolated from this mess is that the Cherry switch everyone liked was likely a mistake, and when the price was jacked up on the Cherry's, HAPP probably used stock on hand as a reference. I'll give you 2 guesses what that stock most likely measured for actuation force. ;) BTW, I'm using a little inside info here, having spoken to both companies about this.
--- Quote ---You mention the E-switch has a higher frequency. This could quite possbily be why is sounds "louder". I would consider this but going back and testing volume levels, The E-switch is noticeably louder vs KWJA. There could be
"different makes" of the KWJA causing this difference. I know cherry has their stuff made in mexico, china, and
even india i think. So it could be one's guess on quality control from those regions
Conclusion: The KWJA is the quiter of the two. KWJA has a "softer" click noise vs the E-switch. Also this volume
level difference is a very minor concern, just something to be mentioned.
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I'm thinking you are still trying to extrapolate data from the "good" (mistake) Cherry switch, not the one with the specifications that are the closest to that on the Cherry Website. Like I wrote earlier, I have 2 of them here with that exact same model number, but are almost identical to the E-Switch. And I think I stated that the Cherry switch was higher frequency. ;)
--- Quote ---I wonder if Happ did this 10 million cycle test or who did it? I don't know for sure if the KWJA really last 10 million cycles, but i know those bad boyz can go for a long time!!! :cheers:
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If it ain't in the Cherry documentation, then it ain't true. And it ain't in the Cherry documentation. :) Of course anyone can test a few switches and make any claim they want. But I wouldn't expect Cherry to warranty a cheap switch for more than a million actuations. It's a pretty fantastic thing that a mechanism that costs so little could even approach that longevity.
--- Quote ---Still can't beleive Happ took a great product and used sub-optimal materials and almost ruin one of the best joysticks ever.
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While I can't comment on that situation, ask me about 49-ways sometime (but not now, please...)
--- Quote ---CONCLUSION: It can be possible that specs listed by happ/cherry/e-switch may only be whats printed and not the
"real specs" themselves. So it may be necessary to do a simple test on batches of micros to be sure they are
what you wanted.
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Absolutely. I have switches here to prove it. 75 to 50 is a heck of a drop, but nothing like the drop from 75 to the 20-25 gram switches everyone liked. I honestly can't imagine using a 75gram switch in a pushbutton, and can only imagine that it was a legacy figure that had little semblance to the real parts.
--- Quote ---I may be bold in saying this...
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It's a little bold, but not terribly. For some, a decent switch that gets rid of the dreaded "click" and dropaway feeling is the holy grail. Each individual will put those things in a different order, based on what they were used to, or what they are trying to achieve. Lots of folks play their cabs often, but they seldom get the abuse that a cab out "on route" will see, so even sick longevity isn't the issue for most that you might think.
RandyT
goldznnz:
Right on RandyT! I see you put the Groovy Standards up for individual sale.
Just waiting on you to also put the Premium Groovy-Micros up for sale too, please let us know. :notworthy:
Also would it be okay to tell others about your custom microswitches?
If so I'm afraid your stock might get depleted quickly, I'll wait for your okay on this first.
bkenobi:
Thanks for the info. I'll have to get some Soft Touch switches to play with then!
goldznnz:
I hope I'm not being a "pest" but RandyT when are you going to add the Premium Groovy-Micros to the site for individual purchase?
thanks! :angel:
RandyT:
--- Quote from: goldznnz on September 28, 2010, 02:56:28 pm ---I hope I'm not being a "pest" but RandyT when are you going to add the Premium Groovy-Micros to the site for individual purchase?
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Sorry, I had to get some more pushbuttons added first. Yes, I will be adding them tonight.
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