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polaris:
just dont prorder if it bothers you, david has offered and honoured refunds to those who found the wait too much. afaik 1 person is in for a preorder, if you look at the refunds and what david has sent out free and extra on orders to people, it would suggest hes a bloody awful scammer.

EDIT AGAIN ; if that reads like im suggesting he is a scammer, but not a very good one , please be clear im not,

Bender:

--- Quote from: miles2912 on June 20, 2009, 06:22:37 pm ---
When I hear pre-order I get very nervous about dropping money on what amounts to some well written long posts, a web site with a lot of fluff and the 3 shipping products - 2 t-molding and a shaft with a ball on it for a game that very few people have.


--- End quote ---

to be fair he is shipping probably over a hundred different hard to get arcade parts, the three you listed were just his latest release
check out the major havoc roller and the atari cone buttons fantastic stuff! Everyone who has gotten those has loved them, so It's not a question of quality from dave, it just how long

although I'm still with you on the pre-order front

Daviea:

--- Quote from: miles2912 on June 20, 2009, 06:22:37 pm ---.....a web site with a lot of fluff and the 3 shipping products - 2 t-molding and a shaft with a ball on it for a game that very few people have.

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3 parts shipping?  Perhaps you should take a much closer look at the website.

Better yet, take a gander at the following link here on BYOAC and see a sampling of my recent specials here on BYOAC.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=93132.0

I have made available a very large number of parts to the arcade community since 2006 and it's very likely that nobody else would have ever taken on most of these items.  I still believe this is boiling down to the "what have you done for us today" issue.  Well, I even have an answer to that argument: 2-1/4" t-molding!  1-1/2" t-molding!  720 handles!  These are only my very latest releases.  Sadly, no amount of hard work, nor good will, nor constant attention to questions and the forums will ever be enough to satisfy everyone. 

Question:  has anyone even noticed that I'm around daily and easily contacted now?  I've got updates, answers, pictures and comments flowing at a constant rate.

I really have nothing to prove to anyone, but I can appreciate the passion in the community.  I share this passion, I just happen to focus my passion into making reproduction parts.  That said, if you don't like pre-orders or you're a skeptic of them, that's fine -- just don't place an order.  Wait until it's no longer vapor-ware and an actual shipping product and THEN order at the release price (if you ever wanted one in the first place).  It's as simple as that. 

I would like to reiterate yet again.  ANYONE who currently has a pre-order with me and is unwilling or unable to wait, all they have to do is let me know and they will receive a refund in full, no questions asked.  It can't possibly be any easier than this.  No scam.  No secret agenda.  No taking the money to run off to Aruba.  Just reproduction parts as fast as *I* can get them finished.

There's no point beating it any longer, the horse has been dead for some time now.

David Adams
RAM Controls

Daviea:
Hey,

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with these handles.  It was ONE serious issue I was having with them --  the fact that the two halves didn't mate up properly was driving me INSANE.  I still can't believe that Atari let these parts out into the wild like this.  It simply boggles my mind because it's such POOR quality.  Add to that the fact that the alloy they used is relatively weak, it only makes matters worse.  The handles presented far more trouble than this alone, however.  I won't get into those details, but suffice to say, the handles have been a headache from the start.

Anyhow, my reproduction handles are a complete remake.  None of that permanent mold rubbish that Atari concocted.  I'm sorry, but they were junk as far as I am concerned.

BTW, with everything that you and I have worked on recently, I haven't told you nearly enough how thankful I am of your contributions to my reproduction projects.  So, THANK YOU again.  :-)

I'm glad that you (and others) can see that I pay close attention to the details when it comes to the reproduction parts I make.  In fact, I will remake prototypes countless times until I'm 100% satisfied that it's absolutely perfect before I commit to the production run.  The down side is that this way of thinking can potentially bring my prices up (as in the case with the SW yoke), but more importantly, it also lengthens the amount of time I spend on projects as well.  I can site numerous instances where this is the case, but I believe each situation has probably already been mentioned or complained about by someone out there.  LOL

The bottom line is that my intention to make the parts as perfect as possible far outweigh my need to make them quickly.  In an ideal world, I could do both, but I live in reality.  So, if I have to choose one over the other, doing it correctly takes the lead.  I really don't mean to drive people crazy, infuriate them or fuel the skepticism with the long wait times, it's just a byproduct of impatience, lack of specific (and constant) flow of information and being burned in the past by other (now defunct) vendors....in addition to my slow build times.  I'd like to believe that, in the end, everyone will appreciate the quality and detail which was always in clear focus the whole time I work on reproducing these arcade parts.

David Adams
RAM Controls


--- Quote from: Level42 on June 18, 2009, 06:54:14 pm ---Heh, I've had my opinion vented a long time ago. It wasn't very favorable for David. Even so, I think I stayed civil enough, and even more so David who stayed cool and polite.

Since David released the wide SW cockpit T-molding he can't do much wrong anymore in my eyes :D

Yes, call me inconistent or whatever, i don't care. It was the part of my most beloved machine that I thought I'd never see the day being able to replace it with brand new material that is exactly like the original.

Having read David's great notes on Ram Controls' site AND having been working on my SW yoke, I can imagine how much work is/was involved with recreating something as complicated as that. Through e-mail I discussed with David the poor production of the handles. The covers really poorly fit the base of the handles on the original I'm sure that David didn't want to releas it that way. That probably meant either correcting or making new molds for these handles.

Here's a couple of pics to show how bad the originals are (screws mounted !!!):






I'm positive that David refused to produce the yoke with handles like this and thus re-did them......

Anyway, the yoke-kits and T-molding show how much attention David has for detail and he's just not releasing stuff until he's 100% satisfied. I prefer that over the current habit of manufacturers of dumping half finished products on the market.

I'm trying to help David with a lot of details on the SW cockpit cab right now (materials on their way to you David ;) ) so I must say a lot changed in a couple of years :)

Even so, I tend to agree with Friz that if I would have been David, I would have chosen not to re-open pre-orders and would have simply released the product to the old-time pre-orderers first and then to the rest of us. But that's just MHO.

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KonkeyKong:
I was one of those guys that signed up for the original yoke pre-order.  The excitement was overwhelming, I mean c'mon, a pristine Star Wars yoke?!?  Rather hard to come by these days.  When I ran into some financial straits and regretfully had to cancel my yoke order for a refund David was awesome!  No guilt trip, no hassels, nothing but kindness.  My refund hit my account in under 24 hours.  Scammer? Not from where I'm sitting.

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