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Best monitor for Vector games with mame
genesim:
With newer LCD's at 120hz ghosting does not exist.
LCD's are capable of super white's and resolution beyond any PC monitor. Scaling issues is the bottle neck...not the monitor.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: isucamper on May 29, 2009, 07:42:01 pm ---I can't imagine why anyone would pick a LCD over a CRT for vector games. Ghosting, response time, and contrast on LCDs are all issues when compared to CRTs. Definitely, out of those choices, a PC monitor would be the best with it's high resolution and natural phosper glow.
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Linky. Pay special attention to the LED models which can localize and control the brightness of the backlighting. One of the things they consider to be a slight drawback to this type of technology, is that there is some faint blooming around bright text on black backgrounds. This is because next to the inky blacks where the leds are extinguished, you are probably going to notice some bleed-through typical of a standard CCFL backlit LCD panel. But the bleed-through becomes localized to areas that are being lit, and is therefore less offensive. In the case of showing vectors, some minor glowing around the graphics would probably add to the realism, and things like phosphor persistence can be emulated in software. The downside is that this technology seems to only be available in sizes 40" and up, and the cost will be somewhat prohibitive for a cabinet. If they start making them smaller and cheaper, they would probably be one of the best choices for vector emulation.
RandyT
genesim:
Hmm so I guess this takes down the whole black levels cannot be produced. I never argued for lower models. Hence me saying CURRENT LCD's. Guess one is backpeddling a bit?
Like I said 50,000:1. Not a whole lot to discuss here.
isucamper:
--- Quote from: genesim on May 30, 2009, 03:29:12 am ---With newer LCD's at 120hz ghosting does not exist.
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This is absolutely, completely not true.
For the past 3 years, I've been looking for an LCD TV to replace my Sony XBR 400 HD CRT. While they have made leaps and bounds, to say the LCD TVs and monitors do not ghost, or blur during fast movement, or match CRTs in the contrast department... well it's just not true.
I've tested the Samsung 650 - 950 series, the Sony XBR 2-8 series (XBR 8 is actually HORRENDOUS with the ghosting), newer TVs and monitors from Toshiba, Westinghouse, and Phillips. All of them ghost. All of them blur unless you put on the interpolating motion enhancement (which adds delay to the response time and in my opinion, is unusable for games). Other TV tech blurs as well including plasma and Sony's SXRD tech. It boils down to the progressive style in which these TVs display images. In HDTVs (non CRT), the picture is displayed progressively, that is, one frame leads right into the next. In CRT TVs, the picture is strobed, which reduces the blur at the retina of the eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur
Some newer brands have of LCDs have tried to simulate this strobing, but by my own eyes, the tech is not there yet.
The base test I do is to hook up one of my game consoles (either Wii, PS3, or Xbox 360) and play a side scrolling 2D game (usually Super Mario World or Castlevania Symphony of the Night). No HDTV or monitor (that isn't CRT based) is able to display side scrolling without a significant loss of detail, either at 480p or at 1080p. In fact, no HDTV or monitor I've tried has been able to display a 60 frames per second 3D game without blurring. Keep in mind that if you play a 30 frames per second 3D game, there is natural blur in the frame rate, so you probably won't notice the blur induced by the TV.
If you want, I can dig through the various threads on the AVSforums where I've posted the results of my testing. If you do know of some magical LCD that does not blur, let me know the model, and if I can track one down I will test it. I am as eager as the rest of you for a replacement for my 300 pound CRT.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: isucamper on May 30, 2009, 11:04:12 am ---If you do know of some magical LCD that does not blur, let me know the model, and if I can track one down I will test it. I am as eager as the rest of you for a replacement for my 300 pound CRT.
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Some of the latest models of Plasma and LCD panels boast something they are calling "full-resolution motion" or something like that. My 50" Panny Viera (plasma) was last year's model, so it doesn't have this. Can't tell you how the new ones look, but instead of the 900p during fast motion that my previously "top of line" set is doing , they are now doing full 1080p. It could be this motion processing that is looking like blur to you, as it sounds as though the image is being downsampled on the fly...which would make it blurrier (or pixelated, but fuzzier is less noticable.) All 1080p sets look good with static images though.
In any case, if you haven't checked them out, they may be what you are looking for. Even the 900p motion resolution models do a great job, so I'm suspecting that the 1080p versions will be even better.
RandyT
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