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genesim:
I jacked up the gamma to the highest setting and all I can say is WOW.   My cheapie LCD has a better image when done this way, but not near my 120hz LCD.

From playing Asteroids many times this is as close as I have seen.

Also for the black levels, again I have several tv sets and CRT's in the house and putting them side by side...there is no difference in black level.  NONE.  But the light levels not even close. 

I guess we all can all believe what we want, but I have owned all of them and I am speaking from physical experience.   

The brightness on the LCD is the best I have ever seen.    Of course having the software that truly utilized it is another story.   Alot of bluray's I understand are encoded to take advantage of the "superwhite" but I admit this is beyond my experience.   I just turn it on.   Certain Planet Earth scenes sure look bright.    If this isn't bright enough, then call me satisfied anyway.   

XeviouS:

--- Quote from: genesim on May 30, 2009, 09:24:09 am ---I jacked up the gamma to the highest setting and all I can say is WOW.   My cheapie LCD has a better image when done this way, but not near my 120hz LCD.
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I went looking for a gamma setting on my monitor and there wasn't one. There was however a menu item called "Phase" which I have never touched before, and adjusting this setting altered the focus of the vector graphics making them noticably sharper. Now the bullets are quite easy to see compared to what they were (though still not as bright as I'd like them). Bottom line is the game is now quite playable, so thanks for leading me in the right direction!  :cheers:

As an aside, just played a game of "Rip Off". The vector graphics on that one look sweet on the LCD, with clear and obvious bullets - if they can do it on Rip Off, why can't they do it on Asteroids............ :dunno

genesim:
Glad things worked out.   

It finally hit me what people meant by "bullets".   :)

In the back of my mind I always thought there were harder to see, but with the new settings I was paying attention to all the other stuff more that I didn't look harder at the stuff coming out of the ship on Asteroids!

Yes it is indeed improved.    Though I have never had a problem with my cheap LCD.   The black is not as black as it should be, but I still like how it looks without glare.    I cut a hole in my bezel and got it to have zero glare that way.   But it sacrfices safety, but I don't plan on throwing anything at it and with LCD's going for less then a hundred, I will take my chances.

TheShanMan:

--- Quote from: Ummon on May 29, 2009, 07:24:41 pm ---Ahem. Most people claim that vector games seen at 15khz, or say on a TV, blow. Well they do (on the latter, and regular mame can't even fit them to the screen at 15khz)....unless you have the proper emulator to display them with. Advancemame, of course.

This isn't 'hey, look how good this is compared to a PC monitor or LCD', let alone a vector monitor. It's 'look how good it can be if you're constrained to CGA resolutions'.

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You didn't explain yourself, hence the responses. You said "killer vectors" without saying that you're comparing it to what you'd normally see in mame. So of course you're going to get a lot of responses from vector purists saying they aren't so killer.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: TheShanMan on May 30, 2009, 12:21:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ummon on May 29, 2009, 07:24:41 pm ---Ahem. Most people claim that vector games seen at 15khz, or say on a TV, blow. Well they do (on the latter, and regular mame can't even fit them to the screen at 15khz)....unless you have the proper emulator to display them with. Advancemame, of course.

This isn't 'hey, look how good this is compared to a PC monitor or LCD', let alone a vector monitor. It's 'look how good it can be if you're constrained to CGA resolutions'.

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You didn't explain yourself, hence the responses. You said "killer vectors" without saying that you're comparing it to what you'd normally see in mame. So of course you're going to get a lot of responses from vector purists saying they aren't so killer.

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It is interesting that at least one of those purists once posted an opinion very similar to Ummon's and I replied that he should play on a real vector monitor, then come back and tell me how awesome vector games are on a Std Res raster monitor. Now that he has owned a couple of vectors his opinion has changed.

For my part, if you are satisfied with your display, then that is great. Hell, I've been playing Major Havoc on a G07 because I only have one emulator machine with appropriate controls right now -- it ain't bad and it looks OK considering what I am working with, but it ain't anything like a real vector monitor ... or even a nice LCD.

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