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Ipac2 still powered on after shutdown ****PROBLEM SOLVED****
Zaven:
First of all i'd like to say thank you to anyone who takes the time to help me with this annoying problem. I've tried to figure this out for 3 weeks now, because i really didn't want to post at the first sign of it not working, and wanted to figure this out for myself without troubling anyone. Failed i guess :P I'll do my best to supply all the information i can think that is necessary along with pictures and video of my problem. Forgive me if i ramble, trying not to be too long winded here.
Disclaimer: I have zero experience with any cab building (as most people when they first start:P) nor have i done any electrical work in my life. (i bring this up because i have perfect 360 happ joysticks)
When the ipac first gets power, it flashes two times, and then goes off. Once windows starts to boot, it comes back on, and stays on the remainder of the time the board has power. I checked ultimarcs chart, and this "flash pattern" is supposed to indicate that the motherboard usb controllers are not turned on (at least this is the way i interpreted it) With that in mind, i've checked the usb controllers, and anything else that has to do with USB support for keyboards, and even made sure i was using Usb 2.0 drivers. All of that is set correctly, but i still get the flash. Have also tested a usb keyboard on the pc, and it works perfectly
Ok, this is the really tricky part. Like i said before i get the flash everytime. Sometimes though (i'd say 50ish%) the board powers on, does the flash, does it's thing, and when max arcade is loading, 5 keys get into a spam mode and go crazy (the reason i know it's 5 keys is because i have tested this problem in notepad and keyboard test when it's doing it. You will notice in the video included that when the max arcade demo nag screen pops up, some of the keys are getting fired like mad. at this point i have closed out max arcade and tested the buttons in notepad and keyboard test, and one thing that is a common theme is after the board goes into bezerker mode (firing 5 keys rapidly) the button presses eventually stop, but some keys become completely non-functional. At this point no matter what i do, reboot max arcade a million times, i can't select an emulator with the button i have set (player 1 start) until i unplug the ipac and reboot. Sometimes i have to do this several times before it gets working again. at this point, even if i try to use the keyboard to control max arcade "the same keys that don't work on the arcade buttons, does not work on the keyboard. Check out the videos i have included.
everything working as intended:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7o5A7qextM[/youtube]
Everything going insane:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWM7gjmS9Q[/youtube]
As you can see, some very odd things going on here. going to post a few pics of my set up, to see if there is any wiring mistakes that i may have made.
in this photo i traced my ground wire that is daisy chained with a yellow line, my question is: Should all of the ground start on one side of the board, and go to everything on the panel then back into the right side? Or is it ok, to wire each side to the ground connectors?
Ok, here are some additional photos that may be of some help:
player 1 wiring
player 2 wiring
close up of ipac2 wiring:
+5v supplied to Happ 360 joysticks
is this correct?
Something that i hate to admit, much less mention here is that i put the perfect 360 joysticks in wrong, i misread the directions and didn't realize until it was too late. So instead of re-drilling holes, i figured out that left = up, right =down etc (this isn't necessarily how it is exactly, just using this as an example) so when everything works right, the corresponding directional movements work fine. I am mentioning this just because i wanna get it all out on the table =) But i honestly don't think this is the problem. Ok, well it's getting late and i have to work tomorrow. I really wanted to get this posted tonight so i can check the responses at work tomorrow =)
If anyone has a solution or and idea to try, i am indebted to you forever!
swamprat96:
This might be stupid but in the video when things go bad you have cables running across the keyboard- and it looks like across keys? Tell me its not this...... :dizzy:
Your wiring looks fine
OK to the Ipac2. On the good video the two short flashes then permanently on tell me that you are using a PS2 interface for the Ipac. But you are using USB yes?
Now on the bad video I don't get to see the start led sequence of the Ipac2. Does it just come on and stay on? If so suspect the x key on your keyboard or Player1 switch 6. Check both- try the following
Unplug the keyboard from the ipac and just leave it off altogether. If you like plug a different usb keyboard into the PC and use that when you need a keyboard. Now see if the problem returns...
If it does disconnect Player1 switch 6 (just unplug the microswitch) and try again.
If its still there post and tell us what happened
Zaven:
--- Quote ---This might be stupid but in the video when things go bad you have cables running across the keyboard- and it looks like across keys? Tell me its not this...... :dizzy:
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Nope, tested it without they keyboard and it still does it.
--- Quote ---OK to the Ipac2. On the good video the two short flashes then permanently on tell me that you are using a PS2 interface for the Ipac. But you are using USB yes?
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it's a plug that that is ps2 on the board, and converts to usb to the motherboard
--- Quote ---Now on the bad video I don't get to see the start led sequence of the Ipac2. Does it just come on and stay on? If so suspect the x key on your keyboard or Player1 switch 6. Check both- try the following
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Nice observation, i never noticed until now, but you are absolutely right, you found the problem! I didn't notice it, but the 2nd time i am booting, the green light stays on. when i turn the pc off by hitting the power switch on the motherboard, the pc shuts down (PSU still on, and the green light stays on the ipac2 forever... and when i turn pc back on, the light is already on and doesn't flash at all. I tested this several times, turn off the PSU to make sure the green light went off. Then booted, and sure enough, everything works perfect. It seems that when i am shutting down, the ipac is not turning off, not allowing itself to boot properly or do it's self check deal unless i cut power to the PSU. Is this normal? During all of this, the keyboard was unplugged, and i also unplugged player1 sw 6 and it still repeated this. Thank you so much swamprat, on to something already. Now just need to know whats causing this.
Zaven:
Update: i unplugged the power to the happ joysticks and booted up, no 2 flashes. this time the board fires up and led comes on, and stays green, and all the buttons work fine (besides joysticks of course). rebooted (green light never went off) pc boots back up green light was on during boot. this time though, everything works perfect minus the joysticks because they are still unplugged (no power). I tried this 5 times, and every time worked the exact same.
ok, now i hook up the power to player 1 joystick, and now i get 19 flashes! but everything works (tried 5 times). So i refer back to ultimarcs chart, and 19 flashes means that player 1 sw 1 is the culprit. So i unplug that switch from the microswitch, and i still get 19 flashes :banghead:
ok so i hook back player 2 joystick and i am back to two flashes but boots up fine and all keys work fine. So i reboot without cutting the power to the PSU and the green light never goes off, turn pc back on with green led staying on the whole time. As suspected. back to square one. As soon as i hit the first key, in keyboard test it shows like 7 keys getting spammed, and then i hit another key and they stop, and some keys are non responsive. I have no idea what's going on, but at least there is a pattern, and that pattern seems to be dead on without fail. Something to work with i guess. Ok, going back to bed for a few minutes before work :D thanks again for the help swamp.
swamprat96:
Sounds like there's a load somewhere in the controls that the Ipac does not like-or something on the pc. I'm suspecting the PC. If I understand correctly you are just "warm" booting the PC - and I'm guessing that the PC does not cut power long enough to the USB to reset the ipac
EDIT:Before you try below just try shutting down the PC completely and waiting for the green light to go off.
Because you have been wise enough to use kwik connect terminals it will speed this up
Disconnect all the switches and joysticks - at the devices- not at the ipac - and now try. If the problem still exists then its either the ipac or PC.
1. If the problem is gone add one switch back at a time and test. That will isolate a switch fault
2. If the problem is still there , you need to test the ipac on another PC. If you can grab a note book or bring another PC close enough - try testing the ipac with the wires still attached. If the problem still exists on another PC its time to talk to Andy at Ultimarc. If the problem does not occur with another PC then its a power issue to the USB hub on your donor PC. If so try shutting down the PC and wait for the green light to go off. It has to go off eventually.
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