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Ginsu Victim:

--- Quote from: genesim on May 05, 2009, 12:36:33 am ---But...the topic is about the Atari pics.

Why can't anybody adress the pink elephant in the room?

Was my TV special?   Were others seriously blended to the effect that you didn't see the lines?

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I had plenty of bad TVs and it never looked like that. Oh it looked bad, but not like that.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on May 05, 2009, 08:29:52 am ---I had plenty of bad TVs and it never looked like that. Oh it looked bad, but not like that.

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Yeah, mine neither.  I think it was a mediocre attempt at best.  Those colors did still blend like they do in the modified image, but the rest is a miss.

RandyT

genesim:

--- Quote from: RandyT on May 05, 2009, 12:03:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on May 05, 2009, 08:29:52 am ---I had plenty of bad TVs and it never looked like that. Oh it looked bad, but not like that.

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Yeah, mine neither.  I think it was a mediocre attempt at best.  Those colors did still blend like they do in the modified image, but the rest is a miss.

RandyT

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Does anyone have a true picture of this, because I can tell you I have never seen this phenomenon.

Look at the pixel count quoted by Blanka, how would this be physically possible?   

A NTSC standard television has FAR more lines of resolution.   Sorry Randy but I think the "blending" is not ture.  Not to be disrespectful, but it just doesn't makes sense at all.

If those lines blended then you people's eyes wouldn't be made out on TV programs.   You wouldn't see hair....it makes no sense at all.

genesim:
Let me state it clearer, if that much blending did occur(which again makes no sense to many years of me playing Atari 2600 and NEVER saw this phenomenon), then how could you see any kind of detail on regular television.

How could you make out any detail if TV's blurred images that bad??????   Do you realize that we are talking several millimeters.    How would you see hair follicles...eye brows...teeth.

Answering this question opens up alot of what I have been arguing about from day one.   Maybe I need to start taking some pictures and doing some real comparisons.   The fact that this person could doctor images to fit their arguement....like the Ghosts having double images and it not existing on LCD's( :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:).

Why is noone questioning this?

RandyT:

One thing people seem to be ignoring is that the 2600 only had RF out, and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the RF converters you see today.  The tuners on TV's were pretty poor back then as well, with a lot of folks still using tube sets with the channel changer that went "clunk, clunk, clunk" when you turned it.  I'm an "old guy" and I was all of 12 when it came out.  Just out of curiosity, genesim, how old were you?  If your first experience with the machine was 10 years after it was introduced, you were likely viewing it on a better display than most had when they played it hours upon hours each day.

As for seeing "hair" on an old TV with an RF broadcast, I'm not so sure one really could.  You could tell it was supposed to be hair, but it certainly didn't have enough definition to see strands.  Hell, Hi-Def is the first time one could really experience that level of detail.  Also keep in mind that moving images, long persistence phosphor coatings and interlaced images tended to hide a lot of the clunky nature of the display.  The first time I saw one of those VCR's or computer cards with the ability to snag and display a raw field of NTSC video, I was flabbergasted.  It looked absolutely terrible.  Blocky, noisy, etc.  But this was very representative of the signal.  The fact that your brain averages everything tends to make things look better than they would if your brain was sensitive to each detail in that tiny moment of time.

You can believe it didn't happen if you want.  But on my very used $150 10" color TV, it most certainly did.  It was a very different world, my friend.

RandyT

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