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Derrick Renaud:

--- Quote from: RandyT on March 02, 2009, 03:36:30 pm ---It would be nice if someone could include a write up in the wiki pertaining specifically to these 64-bit OS's, as they tend to be more challenging thanks to MS locking the systems down as they have.  Maybe Derrick's write-up should be added....any volunteers?

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Ummm.... I already did 15 minutes before you posted this.   ;D

I will probably change a bit more of the info on that page.  It seems that MAME no longer behaves like what is written on the page.  Aaron has completely changed things since my last trip fixing input bugs.  I am currently trying to figure out how it works all over again.  I've been using v0115 until very recently.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: AndyWarne on March 02, 2009, 05:51:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: RandyT on March 02, 2009, 03:22:28 pm ---  I will state this again so you understand; the Opti-Pac and Mini-Pac, with the exact same limitations, are shown being supported by that hi-resolution spinner on the same page with no mention of possible polling issues with some operating systems, or ways to correct them. 

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Thats because when we launched our high-res spinner we revised both these products so that backspin does not happen. Yes they have the poll-rate limitation but they do not backspin. Raising the poll rate is not the only way to prevent backspin.

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And the difference in firmware is not stated, so the net result in the context of the previous discussion is still the same for, I'm assuming, thousands of existing users.

I opted against capping the output a while back, but I may revisit this in light of the Vista x64 situation.  It still isn't as good a solution as simply fixing the OS so it does what it should.  If someone moves the spinner rapidly in a game like Avalanche, and the capping kicks in, when they turn the knob back to where they started from, the position will have changed.  I think it's better for the user to see that the OS is limiting proper operation and fix it, than to have them think the accuracy of the spinner is flawed.


--- Quote from: Derrick Renaud on March 02, 2009, 05:55:41 pm ---Ummm.... I already did 15 minutes before you posted this.   ;D

I will probably change a bit more of the info on that page.  It seems that MAME no longer behaves like what is written on the page.  Aaron has completely changed things since my last trip fixing input bugs.  I am currently trying to figure out how it works all over again.  I've been using v0115 until very recently.

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Heh.  It's like you can see into the future. ;)  Thanks for all of your efforts on these things.....

Bender:

--- Quote from: RandyT on March 02, 2009, 03:22:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Bender on March 02, 2009, 02:50:16 pm ---what link, I missed that, could you point me to where that is?

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Go to the site and look.  Refresh your browser if you need to.  I stated that I had, several posts prior.


--- Quote ---just to be clear we were discussing spinners that come with an interface, weren't we?

I never said anything about outside interfaces, and don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't expect it to be plug and play and I don't think you claim that in the section where you sell the spinner without an interface

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And this is the root of the issue.  You are having knee-jerk reactions to things without accurately assessing the situation.  The spinner is sold with no interface as an option on the very same page.  To go over countless combinations unnecessarily complicates things for the potential user.  It's far better to guide users based on their specific situation, if it's necessary.  99% of the time, it is not.  You are the only individual to have found this method objectionable, and you didn't even email me for support on the situation before stomping your feet in the forums, where I found you and assisted anyway.  And now you call me a "jerk".


--- Quote ---ANYBODY that reads this forum knows I recommend, and have good thing to say about your products, the problem is RandyT NOT GGG, other vendors just don't seem to get into tiffs with there customers

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Ten thousand GGG customers.....customers I end up in "tiffs" with counted on one hand.  I only do this when I feel GGG is being unfairly maligned and singled out, such is the case here.  I will state this again so you understand; the Opti-Pac and Mini-Pac, with the exact same limitations, are shown being supported by that hi-resolution spinner on the same page with no mention of possible polling issues with some operating systems, or ways to correct them.  Don't you think that an owner of one of those devices will have to do the same thing you did when they try to use it?  Don't you think someone should have told them as well?  In reality, both companies provide exceptional after the sale support, which means that a user is never left standing in the cold where help can be afforded, as in this situation.  This is the best way, given the myriad combinations of hardware and software, to get people up and running.  Yes, it requires extra effort on my part to do things this way, but it has been proven to be the most effective, and results in happy customers who come back time and time again.  It works for us, sorry it doesn't work for you.

RandyT

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RandyT

I wrote some of that when I was pretty T-ed off and hit the "post" instead of the "preview" button, That was never meant to go out into the world, I edited it immediately but the edit was posted while you were typing your response ( you can see my edit was posted 15 min. before your response)

My sincerest apologies for calling you a jerk
that is not what this forum is about and I'm very embarrass by it
and hope you will except my apologies,

Humbly Bender


Derrick Renaud:
It seems that we all have been partially right and partially wrong on this whole backspin problem.  There are so many different issues involved, it seems we have all learnt something.  I for one have learnt that the MAME input system is no longer anything like it was when I worked on it.  A lot of my work is still there but the names/interfaces and overall operation has changed greatly.  A lot of my assumptions no longer apply to the new code.

So it's time to relax and watch Chuck/Heroes. Pretty much the only network TV I watch other then the Simpsons and T:TSCC.  Well I have to use the PVR on T:TSCC because it's now on Fridays.  But I'm way off topic.

 :cheers:

Hoopz:

--- Quote from: Derrick Renaud link=topic=89658.msg945325#msg945325 ---So it's time to relax and watch Chuck/Heroes. Pretty much the only network TV I watch other then the Simpsons and T:TSCC.  Well I have to use the PVR on T:TSCC because it's now on Fridays.  But I'm way off topic.
 :cheers:

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