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Push/ Pull Spinners
shmokes:
--- Quote from: RandyT on October 17, 2008, 10:49:54 am ---
I'm afraid that's your issue, not mine.
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I'm afraid I don't own GGG, so the opposite is true. Conflict of interest. You have one.
You have one whether you allow it to interfere with your posts here or not. I know that you understand the concept and apply it to anything else in your life -- seeking the most disinterested, unbiased information sources possible, as opposed to, say, Fox News, for example, or reading a videogame review from IGN or 1up as opposed to believing what the game's publisher has to say about it. It's so blatantly obvious that I refuse to even argue it with you. If you want to pretend that it doesn't apply (absurd), whatever, you can just win. If you want to pretend that your comments are unaffected by your pecuniary interests (equally absurd), whatever, you can win that one too. It's just too stupid a thing to even debate with anything other than a roll of the eyes. So that's all you'll get from me. ::)
RandyT:
--- Quote from: shmokes on October 17, 2008, 02:38:20 pm ---It's just too stupid a thing to even debate with anything other than a roll of the eyes. So that's all you'll get from me. ::)
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What is stupid is to pretend that every concept exists alone in a vacuum. History is what defines credibility, not sole circumstance. No attorney in his right mind would make an argument like the one above without something very specific to show that it indeed applies to a given situation. Something you've yet to do.
And FWIW, I just dropped ~5K, in this economy no less, to have a run of a very special retro item produced that maybe only a handful of folks will be interested in, while I continue to drive an 8-year old vehicle.
Please stop pretending you know me.
RandyT
Tim N.:
--- Quote from: isucamper on October 17, 2008, 12:48:44 pm ---We should almost start another thread here so we can have one that's actually comparing the spinners, and one that debates the direct roll that vendors should take in the community. I think both could be informative threads, but this one is supposed to be about the spinners... so lets get back to it.
So, I got my Turbo Twist High/Low this week and I can add my thoughts to the mix. Let me start by saying I am absolutely the last person who should be reviewing a spinner. I believe the only spinner game I've ever played for real is TRON, and that was 20 years go. That being said, I choose the Turbo Twist based on its tiny foot print and it's claims of being high resolution (also, the talk of the Apache grind had me concerned but as we've discussed in this thread this may be a non-issue at this point). Digging into the threads and learning about the how different arcade games used different wheels in their spinners, and that some had more "teeth" than others and therefore requires higher resolution to emulate, I can see real value in having the highest resolution spinner available. Ultimately it will allow for more flexibility, even if the games that actually need it are few in number.
This is the first product I've ordered from GGG, and man was it refreshing to actually get a sheet of instructions describing how to install it. For a newb like me, this is invaluable and keeps me from spending hours pouring over the vendor's site and these forums to figure out how to make stuff work.
I am in an extended prototyping phase of my controls, so I only have the spinner mounted in a cardboard box right now. And like I said, I have very little experience with spinners, but man, is this thing smooth. It feels really, really nice. Being high resolution, I had to dial MAME's sensitivity way down for most of the games, but after some tweaking it felt spectacular with every game that I tried. Also, the stainless steel knob has a weight to it that just feels bling. Unfortunately, I can't comment too much on the push/pull part of it because 1. I suck at Discs of Tron and haven't gotten to the levels where you use it, and 2. The cardboard box I have my controls in flexes when I push and pull the spinner, making it very uncomfortable to use. I'm going to need to get it mounted in wood before I can really make a judgement on how it feels. It seems to be working just fine though.
That's about all I have to offer at this point. For how negative this thread has gotten, I don't want to sit here and gush all over it, and I can't compare it to any other spinner at all, but I'm really satisfied with it so far.
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If Randy were to send me a TTHL, I would be more than happy to compare it with my Apache I just installed. I have absolutely no dog in this fight. I can mount it in an existing button hole right next to my Apache and do an absolute side by side. Keep in mind, I probably fall under his "not very discriminate" category in regards to gameplay, but having one next to the other will make me very discriminate very quickly. If people wanted to give me exactly what they are looking for in regards to the review I could cover all the bases rather easily. Specifics would be needed though in regards to particular gameplay (Tron, Forgotten Worlds, etc.), but I could definitely cover every other base in regards to feel, build quality, specs, etc....
... Now I know I must sound like a free handout, but I am absolutely not. Am I willing to pay for one outright? No... not at this point as my control panel is finished and I am not really excited about expanding a hole through the current artwork to accomodate the TTHL in replacement of the Apache. Honestly I only purchased the Apache initially as I designed and drilled my panel for a Tornado and was unaware they were diificult to find. If for some reason I found the urge to have dual spinners an absolute necessity (after installing the TTHL next to the Apache), then I would absolutely pay for one outright. At this point though, I would be more than willing to pay for shipping each way to test out the TTHL, and give a full write-up with photos.
... Do I expect Randy to take me up on this? Absolutely not.... He has no obligation, he knows he makes a great product and his reputation and work speak for themselves. I am also a virtual no-one on this board as I have only been a long time lurker and short time poster. I have no reputation as being a "professional" in regards to controls, as I have no reputation on this board at all, other than the guy "Who made the kick as Multi-Pin project".... I am serious though in regards to posting an unbiased review, and I am slowly working on documenting my mame projects (I have done over a dozen now) on my website and then posting them here for review as well....
... Just my two cents.... Tim
Tim N.:
Oops.... I forgot that he doesn't use a button hole design, that is Ultimarc's... Depending on the mounting specs, I am still very willing to do this as the reality is that I would mount it, be dissapointed with any holes it may leave in my control panel, and just purchase it outright :)
RayB:
Now, do you understand why I recommended just searching? ;D
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