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shmokes:
--- Quote from: RandyT on October 15, 2008, 12:38:56 pm ---
I don't intend to be a phony in order to make sales.
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You seriously have no idea what I'm talking about. ;D
Tim N.:
--- Quote from: shmokes on October 16, 2008, 09:34:16 am ---
--- Quote from: RandyT on October 15, 2008, 12:38:56 pm ---
I don't intend to be a phony in order to make sales.
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You seriously have no idea what I'm talking about. ;D
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I think he may be referring to "whynotpizza" being the same as "ApacheControls"....
shmokes:
Which would make no sense since I obviously never suggested he do such a thing. :)
Bender:
--- Quote from: erictrumpet on October 15, 2008, 12:01:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on October 15, 2008, 09:03:00 am ---Yet it is a statement you see on a pretty regular basis, even from many of your happy customers who wouldn't hesitate to do business with you a thousand times over. Take it on faith if you must, but it's good advice. There's a condescending, dismissive, tactless quality to the way you converse. I have seen your store. You have a bunch of REALLY amazing-looking products that you invented. You are obviously incredibly talented. But you can't be good at everything. You need a public face. But, whatever . . . I'm over it. ;D
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I always wonder why whenever anyone posts a comment about Randy's obnoxious manner of corresponding with people on these boards, they feel compelled to qualify their criticism with gushing statements about how awesome GGG is. Guys, there are alternatives to everything. Between Ultimarc, Apache, and good old-fashioned DIY homebrew ingenuity, you can have everything you ever wanted in your cab without patronizing a business whose owner deals with customers in a way you may not like. I personally do not like how Randy talks to people on these boards. So, I don't buy his stuff. Plain and simple. And I lack nothing - not controls, not lighting, not interfaces, NOTHING. And although it matters not to me, if high-res spinners is your thing, Ultimarc's got you covered there too.
Eric.
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I don't feel the need to "gush" I have and use regularly many of Randy's products and find his costomer service (offline) very good
my only point is similar to that of shmokes, that he can do them a diservice somtimes by being combative
I have no problem with Randy commenting or explaining in detail his products, I just wish he would leave it at that
--- Quote from: TPB on October 15, 2008, 08:23:51 am ---
--- Quote from: Visitor Q on October 14, 2008, 08:20:35 pm ---
+1
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I don't always agree with Randy's comments, but I do in this thread.
The info. he has provided is measured, factual, and is solely intended to aid Visitor Q's purchase decision, nothing more.
Geez, a spinner thread would be pretty dull without a contribution from the vendors, wouldn't it ? :dunno
I appreciate their contribution to the forum.
Apache Controls have "said their piece" in this thread, so why bag Randy when he does the same ?
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Again I'd have no problem if Randy "did the same" the problem is he doesn't. He post statements that are combative and frankly sometimes insulting... and he post like a billion times and like to into arguments instead of saying his piece and letting it go
if you notice Andy and David post once or twice to answer questions or correct some misinformation then there done (this thread is just one perfect example) and now instead of talking about spinners were talking about Randy,... unfortunate
Randy 8 posts
David 2 posts
ok I'm over it now too!
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Bender on October 16, 2008, 11:34:54 am ---if you notice Andy and David post once or twice to answer questions or correct some misinformation then there done
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Bender, when I say the sky is blue, it's because I have extensively tested the color and have seen a consensus stating that the sky is indeed "blue". When others, who may have a vested interest in making others believe that it is green, state that it is green and are demonstrably causing others to believe that it is green, then what you are saying is that it is perfectly ok, even preferable that I walk away shaking my head and allow this propagation of misinformation.
I'm sorry, but this is not only bad for the community, but it would be grossly irresponsible for me to ignore it. It may be better for my business to put on a big gloopy virtual smile and say "gee, you sure are pretty smart, won't you buy my perfect stuff" while others are led down paths that could ultimately waste their time and money. As I have said numerous occasions, I am a devoted member of this community first and a vendor second, so I'm afraid this isn't much of an option. If you want to compare vendors, start looking at quantities of posts containing generally helpful information not related specifically to one of their products. You'll see an even larger difference there.
As far as this thread goes, you, Eric and shmokes made it about me. I was talking about spinners.
RandyT
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