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kowal:
it is not only the problem of float
odd switch double click is effect faster engage (not no-floating).
in Chinese crap the relation of throw to engagement is be disturbed
engage is 2degrees faster on china knockoff and have better diagonals (only 1 positive thing)
actuator presses plunger under different angle in vertical, he crushes him from up,  does with him "trigger"
EOT

RandyT:

--- Quote from: kowal on September 16, 2008, 02:21:24 pm ---it is not only the problem of float
odd switch double click is effect faster engage (not no-floating).
in Chinese crap the relation of throw to engagement is be disturbed
engage is 2degrees faster on china knockoff and have better diagonals (only 1 positive thing)
actuator presses plunger under different angle in vertical, he crushes him from up,  does with him "trigger"

--- End quote ---

I'm not sure which part is more bizarre; the fact that you believe that 2 degrees difference in actuation is related to anything beyond the normal manufacturing variances of the microswitches, the idea that 2 degrees of variance would actually affect the proper use of an 8-way switch based stick, or that you expect people to believe that you have a setup that can actually 100% reliably measure this tiny difference.

You really are reaching here, and it is much more useful to focus on the important aspects of the situation at hand.

RandyT

CheffoJeffo:
Not to mention the question of how many sticks he has tested.

 :dunno

kowal:
I have 2 pcs from Happ 27/09/2007 1y ago:), I was one of first who get china crap lol my lucky!  ;D ;D ;D



both are quicker. on eurojoystick throw to engage it looks how 2:1 on china looks how 3:1
let's are serious - other meny players from SRK give the same noticed: china have better diagonals and clique more quickly. and this situation it is normal (in other stick too) faster engage (regard of throw) get more rage diagonals

 

RandyT:

--- Quote from: kowal on September 16, 2008, 04:15:07 pm ---let's are serious - other meny players from SRK give the same noticed:

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Yes, I saw that discussion.  In it, there were a lot of wildly misguided notions as to why there was a difference.  I even registered intending to post in that bizarre thread, but never got around to doing it.

Again, different switches give a different engagement point.  Even switches which provide these specifications provide a range, as the manufacturing cannot be controlled so tightly in such an inexpensive part.  This means that switches labeled with exactly the same part number will very probably have actuation points that are different by several degrees when triangulated to the stick.

The double-click issue I found once, and never again, followed the switch, not the actuator.  It's very simple to see that it was a switch problem. 

Trust me, the volume of these that pass through my hands would yield a "kick in the groin" of huge proportions if they were as bad as you are attempting to make them out to be.  The only reason it has taken this long to surface is because the actuator issue is not a consistent problem.  Some of the ones being shipped are perfectly fine and work extremely well.  The important thing that you and others most likely don't realize is that plastic parts are made in multi-cavity molds, and each cavity needs to be individually machined.  This ends up giving each part a specific personality.  The faulty actuator is likely the result of only one cavity (out of many) that needs to be addressed in order to take care of it once and for all.

What really makes the issue difficult is when two people, who got their sticks from the same company on the same day, can't understand why one person says there's "no problem", while the other says they are "crap".  And this is a problem because they are both correct, but neither knows quite why without more information.  As this information is unlikely to arrive, or be properly considered by those individuals, we end up seeing uneducated speculation that does little more than create hysteria over a very small, very fixable issue.

So how about we give this "china crap" stupidity a rest and get concerned with getting the issue taken care of so that no-one in the community need be concerned about where the joystick was manufactured to ensure they get one that works well.  The direction the U.S. dollar is heading means that the IL parts are going to get a lot more expensive very shortly, and some of us aren't paid in Euros.

RandyT

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