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Ginsu Victim:
I was just about to say, "Move this to PnR"
This topic took a left turn somewhere near Albuquerque...

Argue about this elsewhere.

MaximRecoil:

--- Quote from: Justin Z on March 14, 2008, 04:47:42 pm ---Your stating something as fact does not make it fact.

Your definitions are fine, if you have support for them.  Do you?  If not, I will continue not to accept your definitions.
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Is that a joke? Are you saying that you don't understand what the words "creator" and "creation" means? Do you not realize that it is self-evident that a creator predates and is separate from said creator's creation?


--- Quote ---Incidentally, there are other problems with your definitions, including the implication that something that exists outside the universe can interact with things within it, and that something can exist outside the universe at all.

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If it is agreed that there exists or existed a first mover which resulted in the observable universe (logically there must have been), then it follows that "something that exists outside the universe can interact with things within it, and that something can exist outside the universe at all"; because, a "first mover" by definition would have been outside of the universe which resulted from it. If the "first mover" was part of the universe, then it wouldn't have been the "first mover", because the "first mover" is what caused the universe to exist in the first place; and thus, couldn't have already been a part of it.

FrizzleFried:

--- Quote ---fairy tales that are known to have been intentionally made-up.

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Are you trying to suggest that there hasn't been fairy tales and other stories INTENTIONALLY MADE-UP regarding ghosts?  You don't see the parity?  Are ghost stories and different than stories of Rudolph or Frosty?

Justin Z:
Max, based on your most recent reply, we are clearly talking at cross purposes (I suspected as much).  Given that, and since others are complaining about our discussion, I don't mind ending it here.

Thanks for the brain exercise today.

SavannahLion:
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Duh.

As for ghosts, First Mover, and so on. So what if they're real or not? It's one of those circular arguments where you have one side debating they don't exist and the other side presenting that they do. If the existance of ghosts is disproved or proved, I'll modify my methodology and move on. Meanwhile, I'll be more than happy to enjoy the movies.

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