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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: gnateye on March 11, 2008, 10:23:49 am --- hasn't anyone on here been to any kind of scifi convention before?

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Maybe this isn't the hotbed of geekdom that you think it is ?

 ;)

Neverending Project:
I think many also miss the point that even if you own the game, it is illegal to possess a copy of that game. It has been brought up that since nobody owns every game out there, that nobody has the right to own the entire rom set. While this is true, it is also true that nobody has the right to copy any rom (except for roms published as free, or where their copyright has expired).

If you buy a CD, you are not entitled to make or buy a copy of it. If you buy a DVD or computer game, you aren't entitled to copy it. You are not entitled to make a photocopy of all the books you own any more that you are allowed to possess a copied version of a published book. Hell, you can't even make a clone of yourself, let alone the people that you own.

Morality is an entirely other topic, however.

CheffoJeffo:
I'm trying to decide if you were making an attempt at humour or not ... I'm going to proceed as if you are serious and perhaps a bit myopic, since you chose not to employ any emoticons.


--- Quote from: Neverending Project on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 am ---I think many also miss the point that even if you own the game, it is illegal to possess a copy of that game.
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It is legal where I live and I believe it is legal in the USA, except that you can't circumvent copy protection on non-obsolete systems. Perhaps someone, preferably with expertise, can clarify.


--- Quote from: Neverending Project on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 am ---While this is true, it is also true that nobody has the right to copy any rom (except for roms published as free, or where their copyright has expired).
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I would also disagree with this as per above.


--- Quote from: Neverending Project on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 am ---If you buy a CD, you are not entitled to make or buy a copy of it.
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I most certainly can and I believe that you nice folks in the USA can as well based on the principle of Fair Use. Otherwise all software that facilitates ripping/burning CDs would be illegal. If I were Steve Jobs, I would be REALLY pissed at Apple's lawyers!


--- Quote from: Neverending Project on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 am ---If you buy a DVD or computer game, you aren't entitled to copy it.
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I believe that I am and believe that folks in the USA are as well, subject to the above-noted conditions.

CAVEAT: I live in Canada and IANAL.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: saint on March 11, 2008, 09:39:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Bluedeath on March 11, 2008, 06:34:31 am ---One question if someone has a conversioe (i.e. strider for c64) can we say that the right to play other verssions of it are included also?

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No. There's no legal basis for that. Also, often times one version is done by a company who has licensed the rights to do so from the original copyright holder, but are not themselves the original copyright holders. Owning version "a" of a game does not give you the legal right to use version "b" of the game you don't own.

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IANAL, but I have always thought this one to be an interesting legal puzzle.  I would agree that owning a copy of Donkey Kong made for the ColecoVision would definitely not entitle one to play a version of Donkey Kong for the Genesis, as the companies / individuals producing the game versions are different and entirely unrelated.  But it starts to feel a little fuzzier when looking at whether one would be entitled to play the original game from which those titles were licensed.  A portion of the proceeds for each licensed game you purchased were paid to the company who produced the original game.  Perhaps not directly, but they were definitely compensated for your use of the title.  In the case where one has purchased the same titles for multiple systems, that compensation is even greater. 

From a strictly legal standpoint, I don't believe this would save you.  But from a moral standpoint, there's certainly something there that is worth considering.

RandyT

saint:

--- Quote from: gnateye on March 11, 2008, 10:23:49 am ---also, and i'm not taking sides here just an observation; hasn't anyone on here been to any kind of scifi convention before? they are hotbeds of movies (new and old) pirates and anime and any tv shows you can think of always have been, before the internets you had to goto a Con to score stuff most would get from bittorrents now. again i'm not taking any sides just observing. i do think the guy claiming to have written the programs is bunk, but ive heard worse smack at Cons before.

my measly 2 cents

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Every major con I've been to in the last 5 years or so (and we go to several a year) has had that stuff shut down when it was found, and for the most part it hasn't been found. Back in the day I'm sure it was different.

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