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Hardware 3D Acceleration In Mame
Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: shardian on February 22, 2008, 09:42:57 am ---
--- Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 22, 2008, 09:39:48 am --- Or is Mame really just about running 80's and very early 90's stuff??
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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I believe "running" is the key word there. They'll document the new stuff, but it is just too much work for too little payoff to streamline them to run on current pc hardware. Don't worry Fozzy, once the late 90's early 00's games are 10-20 years old, I'm sure our pc's will run them just fine.
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Manx TT is already 13 years old... Feb 1995.
Daytona similarly more than 10 years. etc etc....
I agree with you that "running" is the key word... and I also agree with nipsmg when he says that the mame code shouldn't be poluted. But I'm not sure it is polution to add a hardware 3D block to handle the output to current hardware. If that's the case then nobody has any excuse for running mame on a VGA monitor or an LCD. Because by that argument you're poluting the original game.
On top of that what about things like "Off Road Challenge" Midway 1997.... That's running on a PC with a Voodoo card in it anyway. Not to mention the fact that 90% of games past that date are running on PC's anyway and only need the protection removed from the CHD to work.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
lcddream:
the mame people are only concerned with running the games the way they were originally run....most if not all cases with cpu power.
they aren't concerned with 3d acceleration.
ark_ader:
Not a bad idea Fozzy.
Maybe there will be a flavour out there with that in mind.
I agree with with what lcddream said.
Console ports are a good alternative.
mrserv0n:
Fozzy I have brought this same topic up so many times on forums. I can see why they won't do it, but the point you make is so true that if the games don't play well who the hell cares if they are salvaged.
With mame being into the 2003ish era for games you are now going to come across more chd titles then rom sets. We can only hope Zinc continues to update there software and use that for our 3d emulation however they don't support Carnevil, gauntlet legends and many other great CHDs that are already out.
As far as the legal issue, look, adding 3d emulation to your software is not going to make or break the legality of your emulator. Im sorry it just isn't.
I think that in time as they begin to dump 2004+ year titles the dev team themselves may sit and think, ok we have added another 10gb of chds that would be playable if we had 3d acceleration.. Whats the point of our project again? Preserve 70gb of chds that don't play and just sit on hard drives...Umm..
Or someone did make the point that in 5 years the chd titles will probably run on cpu power alone since they will be so fast by them, Just a shame we have to wait so long to play a game thats 12 years old
Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 22, 2008, 01:06:00 pm ---Not a bad idea Fozzy.
Maybe there will be a flavour out there with that in mind.
I agree with with what lcddream said.
Console ports are a good alternative.
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I agree with him as well.....
But I think it's about time they really started considering if it doesn't make much more sense to start offloading the processing to the graphics chips and GPU's. Most of the graphics hardware we have now, even on low end machines is quite capable of producing a staggering performance increase in the code that is running on the main processor, when the load is lifted off it.
Given the results of this poll so far, it seems that the majority of people using their software would certainly welcome this. I appreciate that Mame is not run as a democracy, but when the majority of your end users are asking for the same thing, then it's really time to start listening to them. Maybe some of the Mame Devs would like to respond to all this. I know at least a couple of them are members of this forum.
If they do respond lets hope it's not with the usual and now a little tired responses, and that they are prepared to listen to what people want from Mame.
And also well said "mrserv0n"
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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