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RandyT:

--- Quote from: whammoed on January 05, 2008, 12:17:20 pm ---There is a reason the tron cocktail stick has the button on the front of the stick.
Or you could use a touch sensor and have a small metal insert in the ball top. (firing this way may not be good for arcade games though?)

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I tend to think that the reason the Tron cocktail stick was made that way was to better approximate the trigger-stick functionality of the larger machine.  A Battlezone cocktail would probably have had one on top.  ;)

And IIRC, the Tron cocktail stick was rotationally restricted, whereas with a normal ball-top, such restriction would probably not be preferable.


--- Quote ---(Randy... do you have a link for the thread where the audio jack was discussed originally...I can't find it and would like to link to it when this topic comes up.)

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Much of the thread in question was corrupted and post contents were lost in an apparent crash of the forum database.  However, I recall the situation quite well and my recollection is supported by what was left.  The origin of the concept has been verified.

It took more digging than the just using the search feature of the forums ;)

RandyT

Cornchip:
   I think SlikStik Christian has possibly edited some of those posts in question (why?). I have to admit that I copied the guy.   ;D

 

whammoed:

--- Quote from: RandyT on January 05, 2008, 02:11:25 pm ---I tend to think that the reason the Tron cocktail stick was made that way was to better approximate the trigger-stick functionality of the larger machine.  A Battlezone cocktail would probably have had one on top.  ;)

And IIRC, the Tron cocktail stick was rotationally restricted, whereas with a normal ball-top, such restriction would probably not be preferable.

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Yes, no restriction.  That way you can hold the joystick in different ways and still have the fire button where you want it: on the front or on the side.
And you are right...Battlezone cocktail did have a top fire and that is fine for a tank game I suppose.  But when you are trying to mow down spiders and such in Tron, firing with your thumb sucks.


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Much of the thread in question was corrupted and post contents were lost in an apparent crash of the forum database.  However, I recall the situation quite well and my recollection is supported by what was left.  The origin of the concept has been verified.

It took more digging than the just using the search feature of the forums ;)

RandyT

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So you have a link but don't want to post it?  ???
Hmmmm.... was it one of "those" threads between you and Christian?  :dunno  They can get pretty heated.  Guess we won't be seeing those in the future.  8)

Xiaou2:
Well, not everyone holds a Balltop from the top.  I, and I know many others hold them
from the side.   A side button would be uncomfortable for non trigger games on a balltop.

 Yet you also make good point, that thumb is slower.

 Games like Robotron may be harder on the hands if the ball didnt rotate freely, due to frictions.

 Anyway... the solution would be to change the ball to a bat like handle - similar to the
cocktail tron mini-sticks.   Restricted in rotation. Button rounded & shaped so as not feel
too awkward when playing other games.

 Still, theres no solution that everyone is going to agree upon.


 For a temp solution, one could have slip-on trigger tops.   Simply slide the things over the balltops
and lock in place.   A wire would come out the bottom front of them, and feed into a hole or stereo-jack
set into the control panel (or cab sides, underside..etc.)

 

whammoed:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 05, 2008, 05:09:15 pm --- Anyway... the solution would be to change the ball to a bat like handle - similar to the
cocktail tron mini-sticks.   Restricted in rotation. Button rounded & shaped so as not feel
too awkward when playing other games.

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Tron stick is not a bat...it just has a very wide "shaft".

The button may or may not make it uncomfortable for some players.  You have the same argument though for players that hold the joystick on top, with a top fire...it may be uncomfortable for them?

I sometimes hold the joy from the side as well, depending on the game, and don't necessarily think it will hinder anything...especially if there is no restriction and I can place the button where I choose.  Really something that needs to be tested in real life I suppose.

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