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TPB:

--- Quote from: KevSteele on November 02, 2007, 01:50:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: M37R01D on November 02, 2007, 01:34:18 pm ---im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$

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Unfortunately, you really don't have a clue here - you know why the overlays aren't being shipped? Because SlikStik isn't paying the supplier! They owe me quite a bit of money as well for ads, and after a year of waiting, I sent them to a collection agency -- they promised the agency they would pay, then Christian promptly disconnected his cell phone and got a new number.

There's no way this is an ethical business practice, and unless a miracle happens I'm afraid things are only going to get worse...

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Kev ... did you end up receiving payment for this advertising ??    ???

Yet ANOTHER reason why this thread is crucial.

Mega24:
My story: I wanted to buy/build a Mame cabinet for my home here in Singapore. Not knowing anything about woodworking or electronics, etc I did a lot of research to figure out what was the best option for me. During my research, I saw a picture of a SlikStik controller that I thought was awesome. Googled the website and saw all the cool stuff and figured why dont I just buy a complete rig from them and have it shipped. I checked the prices and started to shop around for something cheaper just to ensure I got the best deal. Then I saw something about Mameroom and went to their website and it was much cheaper. So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. Then I read further and saw Scott's comments and decided to call SlikStik and get their side. I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff. He was very straightforward and honest with me, which I appreciated. Still, he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment. I then called Scott at Mameroom and spoke to him for a long time (also a very honest, straightforward guy). I then decided to post here to explain what I had found and to express my concern that people are posting and potentially harming people that do not deserve it.

Then I get accused by the "grassy knoll" folks that I am Christian (my name is Joe)...who is also accused of Being Scott...or is it Scott that is accused of being Christian? Or Big Foot?

Some of the posters here do not want to hear anything that challenges their paradigm: Christian is SlikStik...He is a liar...he is robbing people...Scott is colluding with him to rob people...dont trust anyone...etc.

Very frustrating.  :banghead:

FrizzleFried:
I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight. 

...and congratulations on your buying decision.

TPB:

--- Quote from: Mega24 on January 10, 2008, 01:50:12 am ---So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. ...

he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment.

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So you've benefited from reading this thread, right ??    :applaud:

You've gained the knowledge that it's safer to steer clear of SlikStik, and order with Mameroom instead.

How about a little gratitude towards Fozzy, FrizzleFried, and the rest of the guys who've given their time for free, to post in this thread and give you the full picture about SlikStik ??    :dunno

If it wasn't for this thread, you'd be screwed, waiting at the end of a long line of customers dudded of their cash by SlikStik.

A little gratitude wouldn't go astray.


As for Christian bearing no responsibility for the functioning of SlikStik's business operations, I'm sorry, but that's an incredibly naive point of view.    :laugh2:

... but we'll let it pass, given you're a newbie.  If you had been viewing Christian's posts in these forums over the years, you would know otherwise.    ;)



--- Quote from: Mega24 on January 10, 2008, 01:50:12 am ---I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff.

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Did he chat with you about the weather, how Singapore's his favourite travel destination, what a great time he had shopping on Orchard Road, etc ??

Be careful, he has a legendary reputation of being a smooth talker.    :cheers:



--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on January 10, 2008, 02:05:06 am ---I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight. 

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Absolutely not.

Scott maintains a well-earned reputation as an honest broker.    :angel:

Scott sidetracked the discussion his way, through his new business relationship with Christian, and his strident (and at times aggressive) defence of him in this thread.

But even then, no-one suggested Scott was up to anything untoward.

The question was simply regarding the "nature and depth" of Scott's new business relationship with Christian.

Given Christian's woeful track record, customers have a right to know if he has any "fingers in the pie" of the orders they place with other companies.

Christian is the man producing the panels for Mameroom (whose orders are shipped from SlikStik's address in Nutley, NJ), so one has to wonder whether ordering panels from Mameroom will be a reliable and risk-free option in the long term.  Christian will CONTINUE to be a cog in the works, despite Scott's best intentions.

However, Scott has given his word that he'll personally complete any panels (if ordered through Mameroom) that Christian fails to produce, which is a good thing.


Unless Scott has anything else to add, the discussion has now returned to the original issues, which remain relevant as ever, being :

** SlikStik's non-fulfillment of orders, for which payment has been received "long ago".

** SlikStik's non-payment of other debts ... such as the advertising revenue they've failed to pay Kev Steele, for ad's that appeared in Retroblast.

** Christian's level of involvement in all of this ... subject to debate.

** Legal investigations (by government authorities) that continue into SlikStik, and the people behind it ...

... such as the investigation by the Attorneys General, and the BBB :


--- Quote from: Game-boi on January 10, 2008, 12:02:50 am ---Guys, I finally joined this forum for one reason:

http://newjersey.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=89&bbb=0221&firm=24003804

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Singapura:
First off all, nice to see another arcade fan from Singapore on the board. Welcome and don't let the harsh talk drive you away  :) Second, I've been following this thread since day one and I've known Slikstik (but not the owner) longer then I knew of this board. Third, I've worked for six years in the default recovery of a large bank and have seen my share of businesses going under. Next to a law degree I have an MBA so I can say I know a bit of what I'm talking about.

The pattern is (almost) always the same. The owner is most of the time a dedicated hobbyist who decides to make his hobby his work. A good hobbyist doesn't always make a good businessperson and there's a lot more to running an arcade-parts business then to make a few panels and boards for fellow enthusiasts. Even or I should say especially when business goes well, at one point in time there will be bottlenecks. These can be in production or in finance or in supply or a lot of other factors but if they are not solved quickly they will disrupt the production flow causing delays in delivery, angry customers and a spiral from which it is very difficult to get out. This is the economic side of the Slik Stik story as I see it.

Chris, who as far as I know is the main proprietor of Slik Stik first tried to cover the disruption in production with excuses. Supplies were late, transportation was slow, whatever he could come up with. In itself this is inexcusable but I've seen other business owners do the same (even boards of large corporations lie through their teeth if it means saving the company. Just read "Smartest guys in the room" and you'll know what I'm talking about). Because Slik Stik is working in a very small niche market with a closely knit community, the stupidest thing he could do was lie to his customers. If he would have been honest he might even have been bailed out by the same community that now looks like  :badmood: . Off course it's naive to say that Chris and Slik Stik are separate entities. Legally they might be but in practice the company is the management and the workers, in the Slik Stik case one and the same. I haven't talked to Chris, I don't know the guy but I can understand his motives, no matter how wrong. I hope he learns that ignoring angry customers doesn't make them go away.

I'm glad I wasn't in the ordering phase yet because just as Mega24, I was about to order from Mameroom.

Scott seems like a decent guy but also a guy who saw the opportunity to earn a quick buck. Although he didn't formally buy Slik Stik, for all intends and purposes he took over the business and will probably be rewarded with a proper ownership after he has cleaned Chris's mess. To do so he must save the Slik Stik name which means also saving Chris' name. No choice, he has to stick up for Slik Stik (no pun intended  :) ) If I were Scott, I would distance myself from this thread for a while and concentrate on business because by the clumsy way he's defending the case he's losing it. The most important issue i.m.h.o. is now to make all angry customers happy by delivering the goods or making good in other ways. If I were Chris I would own up and openly and transparently tell what happened and how you're going to solve things. I'm afraid that this mess will not go away if he keeps ignoring it. If he can do that, it's up to his customers to decide what to do. If he's unwilling to do that then he deserves all that is coming to him (in a strictly legal sense off course).

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