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M37R01D:

--- Quote from: Mameroom on January 05, 2008, 03:15:39 pm ---
Considering that this is primarily a DIY forum, the majority of members may already be biased when it comes to vendors hanging around this board. 

There is a reason why companies with good reputations are still doing business with Chris outside of SlikStik. 

the best course of action I would recommend is to let Chris try to make good on what he has offered...although he does not have to (from a business perspective).

With that being said, I do know that Chris is personally trying to get everyone's orders out.  He is doing it out of his own poket.......So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time.  Back to my opening comment, the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.
If this is a personal matter against Chris, then don't fool yourself or anyone else on this board...you don't really care whether people get their products or not...you just want to do what you can to destroy Chris...whatever you do, I'm reminding you that it won't work (at least not on this board alone).

Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.

...there is nothing in the Law that says Chris personally owes you (I've reviewed the circumstances as a business owner myself), But he is trying to do the right thing.  So why not let him (is my point).


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Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: M37R01D on January 05, 2008, 04:33:47 pm ---Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.

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But he didn't call anybody a liar.  ;)

FWIW, I disagree with Scott, partly because this just keeps happening (and everytime there is somebody that says give Xtian a break),partly because I think Scott is being naive in his assessment of the legal aspect and partly because I doubt that there is much that posts like mine could do to other than keep new folks from sending SlikStik money until they work things out (which is just common sense).

Really, it isn't as if Xtian has recently enjoyed a stellar reputation here on AYOAC(tm).  ;)

Mameroom:
CheffoJeffo, I completely understand everyone's delema here...and in no way think that everyone should agree with what I have said or recommended.

It truely is a double-edge sword.  By slamming Chris, you will be depriving many of what it is that everyone is seeking in here.  By not slamming Chris, you feel that you are turning a blind eye to what has happened.

Regarding legal matters...those who know me personally on this board, know that I work in a very large and prestigous internation law firm.  I am not a lawyer, but It is by the advise of several of my coworkers who are (and business consultant) that I break up my company into several smaller LLCs and keep seperate books and accounts for all for the protection that an LLC offers...if any one of them goes bust or has a liability, the others (the rest of my business) stays alive and untouched by any of the other business.  As far as being personally liable, provided that any member of an LLC or corporation does not accept money in their name or use any personal accounts for any of the finances, or does anything illegal...there really is no chance that they will be financially liable...as we will soon see as the NJ AG is involved.  Keep what I said in mind, as I'm confident that it will unfold just as I said,...it is afterall, a business matter.  Regarding everyone's hope that there was some kind of fraud or illegal activities...I have no comment and that truly would be the ONLY hope to attach Chris to this mess personally...in which case, customers would likely still not receive what they ordered or paid for.

Again, although it may make you feel better for the moment, the personal vendettas against Chris really will get everyone NOWHERE.  And I'm afraid people will not get their panels.  Should Chris get off the hook untarnished?  No, and I think the entire month long (and then some) tirade on this forum have served their purpose.  We've heard every reason why someone should not purchase from SlikStik (with good reason).  Every "Good" post about Chris or of a previous SS order being fulfilled...we still hear the same broken record and someone stepping up and saying "ya, but..."

There is one and only ONE thing left that can happen as a result of a continued tirade...people will lose and Chris will still come out of this more on top than anyone else.  Again, keep in mind that this board accounts for only 15% (or less) of all orders he will receive.

While, Mameroom has enjoyed the publicity of this thread, I think that everyone deserves the right to make ammends for something.  In fact, I personally think that this is going to be an excellent opportunity for Chris to promote a new business.  I'm sure you are going to hear nothing but good posts (from actual customers) from here on out.  As more and more panels show up to their owners...pretty soon, this thread and everything that once happened will only be a memory and a stepping stone to something even better.

Any posts regarding..."Remember when..." will have no power to the intended punch.  This whole situation will be just a "bump in the road" as far as Chris or his new business is concerned.

As far as personal tirades against Chris, who ultimately is going to suffer?  I think it would be naive to think it will be him.

He will continue to receive business from Mameroom (and others as I don't want to call them out if they don't want the attention that I have now focused on my company).

I have never met Chris personally (don't even know what he looks like), but as a business owner observing what he is doing (getting panels out from his own pocket)..I feel compelled to step up and applaud him...and to those who are actually getting what they set out to do.

...again, let's hope that everyone gets what they seek.

Zakk:
Wow, almost -exactly- the same kind of tirade that Christiaan used to spew out when people said things he didn't like.  That's very interesting.

Mameroom:
It's all to easy to get involved in "flame" wars in here...I'm not defending anyone...just my own observations.

I do want to restate something that I've said...

People still standing on the soapbox, obviously are not customers or don't have anything to loose and have no interest whether people get their products or not.

Again, pretty soon, people will have nothing to talk about in here...if Chris does make good on his promise.

Come to think of it...this all could have been a brilliant publicity stunt to break away from SlikStik and go out on his own...if that's the case...it's brilliant ! (from a business perspective)

...just want to see people get their panels.

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