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Joystick Jerk:

--- Quote from: Cakemeister on September 15, 2007, 11:32:16 pm ---R. Belmont, one of the MAME developers, thinks MAME plus plus is an "abomination", and has caused him to stop working on his Zinc emulator.

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Good lord, what a drama queen he is. God-forbid that someone creates an emulator that runs games as they were meant to be played and isn't just used for the holier-than-thou purpose of "preservation" that the core Mame devs cling to.

SGT:

--- Quote from: retrometro on September 15, 2007, 10:31:26 pm ---Okay, I think I'm about to reveal that I'm a complete mame n00b....   I thought the i686 optimized version of MAME was only for Pentium Pro's?    My cab is running on  Pentium 4 2.4GHz.  Should I be running regular mame or the i686 version?  Please elaborate!

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Well, when I grabbed that version yesterday for the first time, I made an assumption that it was for all Pentiums and Celerons.  However you know what they say about ASSuming.  Did a little research, but I never found a definitive answer.  I found another site where the version is optimized for the P4 specifically, but in testing saw no difference.

retrometro:

--- Quote from: SGT on September 16, 2007, 11:14:41 am ---
--- Quote from: retrometro on September 15, 2007, 10:31:26 pm ---Okay, I think I'm about to reveal that I'm a complete mame n00b....   I thought the i686 optimized version of MAME was only for Pentium Pro's?    My cab is running on  Pentium 4 2.4GHz.  Should I be running regular mame or the i686 version?  Please elaborate!

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Well, when I grabbed that version yesterday for the first time, I made an assumption that it was for all Pentiums and Celerons.  However you know what they say about ASSuming.  Did a little research, but I never found a definitive answer.  I found another site where the version is optimized for the P4 specifically, but in testing saw no difference.

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Thanks

I haven't tried the i686 version yet but I tried recompiling with the "P4=1" option with the .118 and .119 source and found no measurable difference in the slower games.  As a matter of fact, some of the neogeo games for some reason seem to hang every once in a while instead.

I'm going to verify those roms to make sure I don't have an earlier set.  I forget, what's the site that has the definitive list of files with MD5 crc's?

Haze:
the main problem isn't the plugins, although they are in violation of the license.

the main problem with plus plus (and other kaillera enabled emulators) is that they are one giant security hole.

the software (both server and client) is highly insecure, contains multiple vulnerabilities which can be (and have been as proof of concept) exploited, and could basically be used to take control of any kaillera server then used to infect any clients that connect to the server (which could then in turn infect every other server)  It's closed source (another violation of the license), so we can't fix it.

seriously, you don't want to be using that stuff on ANY pc which is connected to a network.  PSX plugins or not you'd have to be suicidal to run it, you may as well connect to the internet with a pre SP1 copy of XP and no firewall and to be quite honest NONE of the mame developers want to be associated with such a thing.


Warborg:

--- Quote from: Haze on September 17, 2007, 07:47:30 am ---the main problem isn't the plugins, although they are in violation of the license.

the main problem with plus plus (and other kaillera enabled emulators) is that they are one giant security hole.

the software (both server and client) is highly insecure, contains multiple vulnerabilities which can be (and have been as proof of concept) exploited, and could basically be used to take control of any kaillera server then used to infect any clients that connect to the server (which could then in turn infect every other server)  It's closed source (another violation of the license), so we can't fix it.

seriously, you don't want to be using that stuff on ANY pc which is connected to a network.  PSX plugins or not you'd have to be suicidal to run it, you may as well connect to the internet with a pre SP1 copy of XP and no firewall and to be quite honest NONE of the mame developers want to be associated with such a thing.

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Not that I am arguing for or against MAME Plus Plus, as I have yet to ever try to use it, nor have I used Kaillera at all...  But if the plugins, which were from my understanding taken from ZiNC, not the issue then why stop development of ZiNC because of MAME Plus Plus?  It almost seems like a "cut your nose off to spite your face" type of move, it would be like punishing the entire emulation community because of this one version that is modified by only one or perhaps a small group of people (and probably isn't even used by many emu enthusiasts anyway) and is apparently reviled by the MAME Dev team...  I can see the MAME devs not wanting to be associated with it if it's as bad as you say security wise, and of course a violation of the GPL, but I guess I'm just not seeing the logic of halting ZiNC development due to this, if this isn't about the plugins as you say.

And as a side note, I know it'll never happen because of the stated purpose of MAME, but personally I'd love to see the OFFICIAL version have an option for D3D/OGL acceleration...  ;)

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