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All you Xbox 360 owners!
« on: July 06, 2007, 08:39:46 am »
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...we are announcing  today a three-year warranty that covers any console that displays a three flashing red lights error message. If a customer has an issue indicated by the three flashing red lights, Microsoft will repair the console free of charge—including shipping—for three years from the console’s purchase date. We will also retroactively reimburse any of you who paid for repairs related to problems indicated by this error message in the past.

Link to full letter: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/petermooreletter.htm

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Re: All you Xbox 360 owners!
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 09:56:21 am »
Microsoft Corp. today announced that it will expand its global Xbox 360 warranty coverage. Any Xbox 360 customer who experiences a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights will now be covered by a three year warranty from date of purchase. All other existing Xbox 360 warranty policies remain in place.

As a result of what Microsoft views as an unacceptable number of repairs to Xbox 360 consoles, the company conducted extensive investigations into potential sources of general hardware failures. Having identified a number of factors which can cause general hardware failures indicated by three red flashing lights on the console, Microsoft has made improvements to the console and is enhancing its Xbox 360 warranty policy for existing and new customers.

Microsoft stands behind its products and is taking responsibility to repair or replace any Xbox 360 console that experiences the "three flashing red lights" error message within three years from time of purchase free of charge, including shipping costs. Microsoft will take a $1.05 billion to $1.15 billion pre-tax charge to earnings for the quarter ended June 30, 2007 for anticipated costs under its current and enhanced Xbox 360 policies.

"The majority of Xbox 360 owners are having a great experience with their console and have from day one. But, this problem has caused frustration for some of our customers and for that, we sincerely apologize," said Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's Entertainment & Devices Division. "We value our community tremendously and look at this as an investment in our customer base. We look forward to great things to come."

For any customer who has previously paid for repair expenses related to the three flashing lights error message on the Xbox 360 console, Microsoft will retroactively reimburse them.






In an effort to gain a more accurate picture of Xbox 360 failure rate, DailyTech decided to poll retail outlets that sell the Xbox 360 and with it the option to purchase an in-store extended warranty. Out of all Xbox 360 extended warranties sold, we wanted to know how many were claimed by consumers with defective consoles, thus giving us a more accurate failures percentage.

After contacting several retailers from various regions in North America, the responses were unanimous: the Xbox 360 is the least reliable gaming console in recent history. Current EB Games or GameStop employees who offered information did so under strict anonymity, as it is against company policy to reveal such information to the public. Furthermore, our sources confirmed that EB Games revised its Canadian warranty policies during early 2007 for consoles solely due to the failure rate of the Xbox 360.

EB Games held conference calls for its Canadian stores informing them of the new policy changes and revealing alarming failure rates of the Xbox 360. "The real numbers were between 30 to 33 percent," said former EB Games employee Matthieu G., adding that failure rate was even greater for launch consoles. "We had 35 Xbox 360s at launch I know more than half of them broke within the first six months (red lights or making circles under the game discs). Two of them were dead on arrival."

The failure rate nearing a third of all Xbox 360 consoles was found at other retailers too. A Best Buy customer service department manager, who wished to remain unnamed, said that failure rates for the console were "between a quarter to a third" of all units sold.
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Re: All you Xbox 360 owners!
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 10:23:58 am »
How in the world do you let a product reach market with a 33% failure rate!!! Do they just not have a quality assurance department?...oh wait it microsoft. ;) ;) ;D

I am happy to see they are standing behind their product though. That's better than what Sony does.

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 12:05:20 pm »
I am happy to see they are standing behind their product though. That's better than what Sony does.

release a product with a <1% failure rate?

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Re: All you Xbox 360 owners!
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 01:42:55 pm »
release a product with a <1% failure rate?

My PS2s laser died 6 months after I got it, Sony told me to suck it and buy a new one. So I did, then 8 months later that one died. Sony told me to suck it again, so I went and bought a used one and put a hard drive in it.  Bought a PSP, had like 30 dead pixels, Sony told me to suck it, but the nice lady at best buy allowed me to exchange it, now  I live with 4 dead pixel. Dead pixels are found on about 99% of PSP, know what Sony says? "its a flaw in the manufacturing process nothing we can do about it"

So yeah, fudge Sony. I wont get a PS3, I cant wait to see what sort of problems it has and what Sony ends up doing to rectify them. I'm glad M$ is stepping up, accepting the blame for what happened and most importantly TAKING CARE OF ITS CUSTOMERS! I got a Premium at launch and just recently got my greedy paws on an Elite (for the HDMI) I'm trying to support M$ in its gaming endeavor because all Sony has done is let me down for 5+ years
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Re: All you Xbox 360 owners!
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 01:48:17 pm »
Sony has the world's worst customer service. They deny that there are problems with their products until they are forced to issue a recall by a major lawsuit. When there is an issue with one of their products, they "fix" it for you at your cost for shipping, keep your product for months, and tend to return it in worse shape. The reason "fix" is in quotes is because nothing is ever fixed, they just drag you on until your 1 year warranty is up so they don't have to mess with you any more. This happened to me with my digital camera. I researched Sony's customer service reputation online and was bombarded with cases mirroring my situation and much worse in most cases.

So, my comment was not directly related to the PS3, but to their entire line-up of products. Oh, and the ps3 is vastly overrated. ;D

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2007, 04:48:45 pm »
I am happy to see they are standing behind their product though. That's better than what Sony does.

release a product with a <1% failure rate?

holy crap... I'll take a boat load of whatever it is bbodin is smoking!

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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 10:57:35 pm »


holy crap... I'll take a boat load of whatever it is bbodin is smoking!

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well it WAS a joke, but it was a joke based on some other blog I read:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/take-that,-msoft/ps3-failure-rate-less-than-one-percent-275179.php

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 11:28:40 pm »


holy crap... I'll take a boat load of whatever it is bbodin is smoking!

 :dizzy:

well it WAS a joke, but it was a joke based on some other blog I read:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/take-that,-msoft/ps3-failure-rate-less-than-one-percent-275179.php

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 06:50:07 am »
I'm not going to try and defend Sony, but is Micro$oft really any better? A 33% failure rate is bloody ridiculous. I'd always suspected that M$ had rushed the product to market and this pretty much confirms it.

It's taken them 18 months to address this problem which is far too long IMHO. It sounds like the extended guarantee has been forced on them through a mixture of bad publicity and potential future lawsuits. Maybe the PS3's anticipated imminent price drop is also a factor.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2007, 04:49:01 pm »
Oh man... this is messed up.  Today, I get the three flashing red lights.  I guess now I gotta send it in!  :hissy:  :banghead:

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2007, 06:38:11 pm »
Well, I know a lot of people poo-poo the extended warranties but for $50 it was well worth not having to wait for my 360 to be sent to and from MS.  Now, with the manufacturer's warrany running five years, I can take the console back and exchange it an unlimited number of times. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 03:45:35 am »
Wonder what this is going to do to the price of broken 360s on Ebay. Hmm-maybe time to try and snag a couple...
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2007, 01:00:38 am »
from waht i saw the prices didnt really change on ebay. people are just parting them out if they dont chose to get them fixed, moreso than before. its rare to find a 360 WITH the hard drive because of that

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2007, 09:13:37 am »
this is why i love nintendo.  aside from the original NES (which never "broke" per se, i consider having to blow air into the games and smack them on the ground before getting them to work kinda broken)....i have never had problems with any of my nintendo products.  thats:

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ive never had a single failure or anything equivalent to the red ring of death.  i had a gamecube game freeze one time, but that was because the game was scratched.  so why cant MS and Sony do the same for their machines????  my 360 has scratched my gears disc, and frozen up so many times i cant even count them all.  awesome system when it works though  :banghead:

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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2007, 10:26:08 am »
How in the world do you let a product reach market with a 33% failure rate!!!



That's what happens when you rush out your console to be the first next gen console on the market.

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2007, 10:57:17 am »
How in the world do you let a product reach market with a 33% failure rate!!!



That's what happens when you rush out your console to be the first next gen console on the market.

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2007, 11:13:42 am »
theres no way the actual failure rate is that high.  I personally know 7 other people with 360s. We all take care of our stuff, none of us have had a problem with our 360s. I just bought an Elite (for the HDMI and larger HD) and I've had no issues at all with it. so thats 8 360s with no problems. That alleged 33 percent is adjusted to the top end for shock value. Im sure its alot closer to 17%

Say you have 10 360s. The kid turn the 360 from vert to horizontal while its on and it scratches his disc, he sends it in for repair even though its not broke. he gets it back after reading he cant turn it while games on, so he doesn't scratch any more discs. This is still considered a repaired console. Now this same kid has the 360 and power supply sitting on the carpeted floor, it over heats and keeps locking up. Again he sends his console in even though hes at fault. MS sends it back and the kids buddy tells him he cant have it on the carpet so it doesn't happened again.  This now makes it 2 repairs to 1 unbroken console. Finally after much abuse the dreaded 3 ROL happens to the kids console, he sends it in for repair again.

there ya go 30% failure rate due to one bad console. I really don't think getting their system out like 14 months before PS3 is rushing it. If anything SONY could have delayed their PS3 launch, they maybe there would have been more units available and something to actually play on them.


Now to address the "getting the parts the cheapest" reply.... ever see the failure rate of a PS2 laser?

now keep in mind, Im not a XBOX fanboy, I have and play my Nintendo DS alot, I have a PSP (that I dont play so much, since theres almost nothing worth playing on it) a PS2,a Wii, an XBOX, a 360, a DreamCast, a Neo Geo, a Sega Saturn, a UMK3 arcade, and a MAME cab..........I consider myself a well rounded gamer. but I will state for the record I dont ever plan on getting a PS3 well maybe in 3 or 4 years when the price isnt retarded and the games dont suck.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 10:37:14 pm »
justdeals seems to be selling alot of those consoles on ebay, w/o the HD of course...but you can get one of those for around $60 total or so...

How is MS implementing this warranty?  Are they requiring proof of purchase?  Obviously it hasn't been out three years yet, but how will they enforce that down the road, and more importantly, do they enforce it now, even though it hasn't been out three years yet?  I'm considering getting one.
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 08:53:03 am »
justdeals seems to be selling alot of those consoles on ebay, w/o the HD of course...but you can get one of those for around $60 total or so...

How is MS implementing this warranty?  Are they requiring proof of purchase?  Obviously it hasn't been out three years yet, but how will they enforce that down the road, and more importantly, do they enforce it now, even though it hasn't been out three years yet?  I'm considering getting one.

I just called them up, they only asked for the serial off the back, no proof of purchase required.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 10:24:16 am »
If you call them a year or two from now (3 years or more from the launch date) they'll use the serial number to determine the manufactured date.  If that's older than 3 years you won't be covered unless you have proof of purchase to show you've owned it less than 3 years.  Ebay receipts won't be good enough, though.

Some retailers scan the serial number when you purchase it.  It's possible that if MS has access to this information they may use it to determine the warranty date instead of using the manufactured date, but don't count on it.

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2007, 10:29:58 pm »
Oh man... this is messed up.  Today, I get the three flashing red lights.  I guess now I gotta send it in!  :hissy:  :banghead:

Does this only apply if you have the receipt or do they go by the manufacture date on the back?

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2007, 09:27:17 am »
Oh man... this is messed up.  Today, I get the three flashing red lights.  I guess now I gotta send it in!  :hissy:  :banghead:

Does this only apply if you have the receipt or do they go by the manufacture date on the back?

Yeah, I don't have a receipt.  My brother bought it for me (in Iraq) and sent it to me as a gift.  They just go off the manufacture date (for now, at least).

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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 08:34:20 am »
there was many huge petitions being thrown at M$ for the failure rate and charging for repairing something that was their fault and I think someone had stepped in and made them extend there warrenty or they were facing a huge lawsuit from thousands not only the buyers but the main retialers too.

kinda like the orignal xbox v1.0 power supply cracking at the DC in molex where your power cord connects the the power supply form the rear of the console and shorting out and causing fires it had took a few people to die and their homes burned down with them before M$ fessed up that there was a even problem but instead of fixing all the power supplies like they should have becuase it was the real problem they put a in line breaker in the power cord and sent them as replacements so when it failed your cord may be good but the power supply is still dead.

also if anyone here has a v1.0 and you never caked some more solder on your DC molex on the power supply and you still have the old style power cord I would add some extra solder and check for cracks and get that newer cord with the breaker.

where the +/- contact go from the pins into the power supply pcb from plugging the console and unplugging it the pins shift up and down and it cuase's the solder to crack and that is what leads to the shorts I seen some where it burned a hole right through the bottoms of the case.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2007, 11:03:57 am »
It's pretty sad when you have to break their arm to get them to fix a problem that they caused with bad workmanship.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2007, 07:43:38 am »
I wouldn't say bad workmanship - just cheap.  They rushed the console to beat ps3 - in doing so they probably didn't test the thing thoroughly and didn't become aware of the heat issue causing the connectors to break until they were out in the wild.  The good thing is they have somewhat admitted the problem, have now taken steps to reduce the heat issues with heat sinks and hot glue around the connectors.  They should have held back on the elite until it had the 65nm core from the start - but again they want to get things out there without fixing the root cause.

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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2007, 12:17:19 pm »
Rushing led to the poor worksmanship.

Three red lights AND consoles that ruin discs - inexcusable.

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2007, 03:40:00 pm »
Rushing led to the poor worksmanship.

Three red lights AND consoles that ruin discs - inexcusable.

the red lights I understand, but retards turning their consoles while games are spinning inside ruined dics, not the 360.

thats like blaming a gun for shooting you in the foot when you pulled the trigger and aimed down
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2007, 06:27:49 pm »
Rushing led to the poor worksmanship.

Three red lights AND consoles that ruin discs - inexcusable.

Yeah thats why they are fixing them for free..
Some of you are still acting like MS has nothing to address the issues.

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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2007, 09:46:18 pm »
My 360 is in Texas as we speak with the 3 red lights of death. All free repairs and free shipping and all I needed to give them was the Serial Numbers.

It better work better when it gets back.