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Mame Devs Part of BYOAC?
AaronGiles:
Hey, what a good opportunity to set the record straight:
* The MAME developers have nothing officially to do with BYOAC. Some of us do occasionally post here and read the forum.
* R. Belmont speaks for R. Belmont. There is no official voice of the MAME developers. Don't take anything he says to be the sentiments of over 100 individuals. It is just one person's opinion.
* R. Belmont, if you've seen him post, tends to call anything he doesn't like an "illegal build of MAME" or whatever. This is nonsense. If a modified version of MAME follows the license, it is legal. That doesn't mean he (or the rest of the team) has to like it, though if it goes against our basic philosophy, we'll probably try to reduce attention to it on sites that are friendly to the team.
* The build that was posted was binary only with no included source changes. This violates the license, and was properly removed.
* If someone wants to maintain a build of MAME with hiscore.dat support in it, please by all means do it. Just follow the rules and things will be fine. If such a build turns into the "game players'" port of MAME, even better. I'd personally welcome such a derivative, as it would be presumably built by and for people who are interested in the issues that people complain about here.
* The goals of the people here at BYOAC are often at odds with the goals of the MAME project. Nothing wrong with that, it's just the way it is. It's really best to just accept these differences rather than getting angry at each other, and try to find more productive outlets. Yelling or whining at us because we made some change that doesn't align with what you want doesn't do any good.
* Yes, I did complain about the 1000-in-1 board post. Again, it was discussing a product that openly violated the MAME license and made a big profit from it, and frankly if you support what we do I think it's an inappropriate topic for a forum like this. Of course, when I brought it up, I basically received a big :censored: from the folks posting there. Fine, whatever, it's up to Saint to straighten things out (which he did, thanks). But this sort of reaction is typical of reasons why a lot of the developers don't have a particularly high opinion of the folks here.
* On the positive side, there are a lot of cool things happening here, like the output support and all the great new controllers that are being created for cabinets. I've set up a cabinet and wired a control panel myself, and I can appreciate the lengths people here go to to pimp their cabinets. There are some awesomely dedicated and talented people doing this stuff!
Overall, I personally (and I'm not speaking for the team here) don't have any major beefs overall with BYOAC. I'd only suggest that folks realize that this forum is only going to get as much respect from the devs as the posters here demonstrate to each other and to the devs (and if you think ass-kissing == respect, you're way off base).
Dav:
--- Quote from: Zakk on March 27, 2007, 03:27:49 pm ---I thought it was Davr that was cheesed.
--- End quote ---
I was mostly cheesed because Aaron was cheesed and nobody seemed to care. Generally such a sharp word from the head of MameDev would have at least caused everyone to slowdown and think a little instead of just 1 or 2.
No idea why RB was cheesed since the post was deleted.
blueznl:
I wonder if we now can stop and go back to our hobby? 8)
MKChamp:
I won't go into a long rant...I'll keep it short. I've been following all these forums for quit some time and rarely post. I'm "CokeDealer" at mameworld...and I can't remember what the hell I am at MAME. Point being, Richard "Represents" MAME to alot of 'newbies' that have legitiment though sometimes flat out retarded questions. He is an ass. Yes, he contributes quit alot to the scene and I AM GRATEFUL., however, that does not give anyone a free ticket. Richard is an online bully that is a smart guy. The reality is, if he spoke that way in 'RL', his high schools days would be re-visited. I am a big believer in respect someone to gain respect. As I stated earlier, I browse ALOT more(daily) than I post, and Aaron, Haze and Derrick have my upmost respect because they give so much without the 'attitude'. That deserves respect. I am not big for 'attitude' people. While reading post he makes there are so many times I've wanted to respond to him...but I'll qoute a saying I read(while browsing another unrelated site):
Winning a flame war is like winning at the special olympics. Sure, you came in first, but you're still retarded.
And another:
Online is the only place a 15 year old '---smurfette---' can call me a '---smurfette---' and get away with it.
pointdablame:
I agree with MKChamp, but I have to say, calling R.Belmont out on "being an ass" is not going to help. If he is rude, he's going to be rude. If he doesn't like BYOAC, folks here ganging up on him and yelling are not likely to help. This is how it goes though.. one person steps up and no one backs down and then we create this perceived "feud." It's asinine if you ask me.
I have to agree with Aaron on pretty much everything he said regarding the situation. I will say though, Aaron, at times it is upsetting that a Dev will paint the entire BYOAC community with a broad brush stroke simply because a few people complained about a change in MAME (or whatever other reason there is at the time). I think the problem comes down to the fact people very rarely speak up when everything is ok. I'm positive that the devs don't get nearly enough 'thank you' emails as compared to complaints, either on boards or elsewhere. That is human nature. It's just a shame that some devs seem to ridicule and ostracize the entire BYOAC community because of a few people who complain.. and who likely complain about anything they can in life.
I understand it is easier to say 'BYOAC' as opposed to a list of offenders, but I hope you (the devs) can see that it isn't exactly fair. There is a great majority of people here who are extremely thankful for all the work you folks do, and realize that you guys are a big reason this place even exists. So at the risk of kissing ass as you mention, I thank you and all the devs. Most people do in fact try to show you all respect. It's not exactly respectful on the dev's end, however, to group all of BYOAC into a box.
:dunno
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