When is Wii going to take off?

[AtomSmasher]

I'll give the short of it though....

Heh, I'd hate to see the long version.

I was surprised by how long it took HC to reply since he is our resident Nintendo fanboy, but I guess his internet crapping out is why it took longer then usual.  *edit* by "long" in this sentence I mean length of time, not length of post.  Since the last sentence was talking about length of post, I thought it might need clarification.*/edit*

I'll just say I agree with some of what HC said and disagree with some of what he said.  I think common opinion seems to be the Wii has one great game, a couple good games, and a lot of stuff not worth playing.  Thats why some of us are playing gamecube games on the Wii to pass the time until more good Wii games come out.  Theres nothing wrong with that, its how it is for every console.  It takes time to build up a solid library of games.

[KenToad]

Hey come on, I read it and it was a good read.  *Edit* Sorry, Atomsmasher already mentioned the following. *End Edit*  I think Howard said his original post got erased accidentally, so that's why he didn't chime in earlier.  I can relate, since I'm usually not in the mood to retype it all if I lose what I'm about to post.  Now, I always copy long posts to the clipboard before I hit the post button.

[Howard_Casto]

I was surprised by how long it took HC to reply since he is our resident Nintendo fanboy,

Hell no I'm not a nintendo fanboy, I'm a "fanboy" of what is good.  This go around it's the wii, last round it was essentially the xbox.  I just call em like I see em.  Not a huge fan of the gamecube for example...  I still bought one so I could play windwaker, and re4 but I waited a whole year. 

[Howard_Casto]

Holy crap Howard's post was long, even for him.  Is anyone going to read that?

"I'm not that much of a reader."  -- President George W. Bush

[shmokes]

Sorry, I hate chopping up posts, but I just read two things I really wanted to respond to.  I actually haven't even read past the second thing so I can't comment on the post as a whole.

. . .  The GTA series, for example is one of the most immature games I've ever seen . . . there's no plot, the gameplay mechanics are shot, and the graphics are terrible. 

On the other hand, truely mature games (like re4) appeal to mature gamers as they have things, like a plot and good gameplay...

While I agree to the spirit of what you're trying to say, this is ridiculous.  The writing and plot in GTA: VC and GTA: SA is some of the tightest in the history of graphics-heavy videogames.  The plot and writing in RE4 fall directly into the Plan 9 From Outer Space, so incredibly, unbelievably, incomprehensibly bad that it's good category.  The graphics in GTA are kind of terrible, but perfectly understandable.  In order to provide the brilliant, open world you get to play in, you get crappier graphics.  I'd take low-res textures over a ten-foot draw distance any day of the week.  It shouldn't be a complaint for a Wii fan, such as yourself

The average score of the wii games right now is around 7.5... both m$ and sony would KILL for a average score that high. 

Shut up, Howard.  Seriously, shut the ---fudgesicle--- up.  You said exactly the same thing in another thread not a month ago and I responded with a painstaking, exhaustive list illustrating that not only did the Xbox 360 have FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more 7 and 8 games, but that the 360's percentage of games with a rating of 7 or higher was around 60% while the Wii's was around 40%  (I think those are fairly accurate numbers, but I can track down the thread if you want me to be more precise).

If you want to just make ---Cleveland steamer--- up and hope that by simply speaking authoritatively you will not be questioned, fine.  But once someone has questioned your numbers that you pull directly out of your "gut feeling", and gone through the effort to actually correct you with real facts, don't just go on making the same ---smurf-poop--- claims.  It should be beneath you.


edit:  The real numbers I speak of

[shmokes]

I can relate, since I'm usually not in the mood to retype it all if I lose what I'm about to post.  Now, I always copy long posts to the clipboard before I hit the post button.

I wish, wish, wish, I could get into this habit.  Only seldom do I remember to do this, and it is never when something goes wrong and the internets steal my post.

[sodapopinski]

"I'm not that much of a reader."  -- President George W. Bush

That's a little bit scary if thats a real quote.

[KenToad]

Thanks for digging that link up, Shmokes.  I stopped reading that thread just before it got interesting.  So that clears up the confusion that Howard had cast over me with his wise words about a plethora of great games on the Wii and here little old me is thinking:  What games? 

Holy crap Howard's post was long, even for him.  Is anyone going to read that?

Judging by your post count you prefer writing before reading. 

[shmokes]

Another case in point I just thought of.  Trauma Center.  Awesome game.  It uses the analog stick and the pointer for control, and the control is really tight.  But every once in a while the game has you use a defibrillator on a patient and it is the only time the the controls sometimes feel frustratingly unresponsive.  It's also the only point in the game that makes use of the motion sensors rather than the pointer. 

I hope I'm wrong, seriously, and even if I'm right, maybe a rev. 2 controller, or a 3rd party controller will rectify the problem.  Trauma Center proves that great things can be done with the Wii that cannot be done anywhere else.  Wii Sports proves that even games that use the motion controller can be loads of fun, so long as they don't require much precision/finesse (see Wii Sports Boxing for an in-house Nintendo example of an inability to get accurate complex data from the motion sensors).  But the more I play, and the more my initial honeymoon phase is wearing off and I'm starting to see many signs pointing to the controllers being SERIOUSLY flawed.  And I cannot, for the life of me, come up with a single example that dispels my suspicion. 

If the motion sensors are capable of precision, are the developers choosing not to make use of it, including Nintendo's own in-house teams?  It seems unlikely that they would do this.

[Hoagie_one]

"I'm not that much of a reader."  -- President George W. Bush

That's a little bit scary if thats a real quote.

If im not mistaken, He said that in reply to whether Bush read the morning paper every day.  He then went on to say he had people who did that for him and kept him up to date.  Which explains much of his short-sightedness.

[TOK]

"I'm not that much of a reader."  -- President George W. Bush

That's a little bit scary if thats a real quote.

If im not mistaken, He said that in reply to whether Bush read the morning paper every day.  He then went on to say he had people who did that for him and kept him up to date.  Which explains much of his short-sightedness.

The same people that read the Nintendo stats to Howard.

Sorry, I don't even care, I just couldn't leave a setup line like that hanging out there. 

[shmokes]

So you're saying that Bush, like HC, doggedly remains misinformed and then says and does ridiculous things because neither of them can be bothered to read?

[ark_ader]

With my regard to the Wii and the Xbox 360, it comes down to playabiility that puts the freeze on my wallet with regard to spending my hard earned pounds (which is double in consideration to the dollar as I do spend too).  The Xbox 360 controller sucks.  I cannot play the games on it.

It  me off when I play ANY GAME on it.  Who ever designed the controller needs shooting and that unfortunatrly extends to the Wii.  Play Call of Duty 3 and tell me the Wii controls work like a dream.  Only Wii sports works great and you get that free with the unit.

I went over to my mates house (his birthday was yesterday after the UK launch of the PS3 and he has a nice big 42" Plasma that manages to get 1080p on the PS3.  He pop'ed in motorstorm and 3 minutes later sold me on the console.  The night after I dreamt of playing that game at home because the controls are a dream.  Yes it borrows the Wii controls, but much more accurately and easier.

The only problem with the PS3 is that I will need to get a Plasma TV for it.  I could not go Scart or RGB.  We tried DVI on a Desktop TFT and it didn't work    I was secretly hoping.  I also just found out that the Linux Yellow Dog cannot play Counterstrike Source, so the thought of using it as a computer was a bit poopoo.  Thats going to change in time.

The games I saw blew the 360 away.  Doesn't come close - yep no way near and you have to experience it on a plasma to see my perspective.  Nope sorry Bill, Sorry Nintendo Its fast forward to the new kid on the block.  The PS3.  If you have a PSP it is soooo cool to use it as a remote and PS1 games on the PS3 look wonderfully blocky.  We haven't tried the PS2 games in it yet.

I wished I bought the PS3 in London at Virgin, everyone who queued up got a Sony Plasma to play it on for free.  Now to find a plasma that can get high enough as a desktop VDU and I'm in business.

We counted 14 titles at the shop (go to Asda in the UK as they are £10 cheaper) the controller prices are a bit steep and no vibration or force feedback which was cool as it made the controller very light and easy to grip.  The button on the controller switches it on and off.  No fatigue no hand cramps NO playstation thumb!   I'm hoping to buy the US 20GB version and play it in the UK.

Maybe this should be moved to the review board. 

Its real ace guys, go on, I dare you to buy one.  Just don't tell the missus.

[shmokes]

The games I saw blew the 360 away.  Doesn't come close - yep no way near and you have to experience it on a plasma to see my perspective. 

I'm sorry, but your giant fanboy rant simply lost all credibility with this ridiculous statement.  PS3 may be more powerful than the 360 (big fat emphasis on the word "may").  It may be capable of better graphics than the 360.  But so far 360 games look every bit as good, and in most cases better than their PS3 counterparts. 

You, sir, are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

[ark_ader]

Ok  have you played it on a 42 inch plasma?

I have seen the xbox 360 on the same type of screen and I'm sorry but your above statement doesn't hold water.  Fan boy or not *I* think its miles better and you can play it without wanting to throw the console out the window.

I also believe when more people play on the PS3, they will dump their Xbox 360 thus creating a surplus on Ebay. 

So sorry to differ with you, but I live in the UK where £450 is a lot of money nearing $900 and for that money I expect the best.  Unfortunately I have to get a Plasma to play it on.

Incidentially I happened on a web site that might have my TFT VDU soluton:

http://www.hdfury.com/

Perhaps when you can afford one of these units, you will sing its praises too.  But the Xbox 360 doesn't even come in 2nd, because playability is key in my book.

[shmokes]

Good lord, a 42" plasma isn't going to make a PS3 game better than a 360 unless the game is running at a higher resolution and has higher quality textures.  Motorstorm runs at 720p.  It does not even run at 1080i, let alone 1080p.  There are no games out for the 360 that don't support at least 720p so, again, you are completely full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  360 games that look better on a 42" rear projection TV will continue to look better on a 42 inch plasma.  Where do you come up with ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like this?  Do you think that the PS3 has a plasma enhancement chip?  You think it detects the proximity of plasma technology and turns on the "magically make the game look better" setting?  What about a 42" LCD?  Would the PS3 or Xbox 360 look better on that technology, LMAO?

BTW, the 360 is perfectly capable of outputting a 1080p, so even if PS3 games ever do look better than 360 it will have nothing to do with whether you're hooking the systems up to a 42" plasma.  Both systems can output the same resolutions.  The TV you hook them do is never going to be the deciding factor as to which system looks better.  You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.  My gut tells me that a few years from now PS3 games will tend to look slightly better than 360 games, in the way that Gamecube games tended to look slightly better than PS2.  But it sure as hell hasn't happened yet.  Frankly, the 2nd generation 360 games have tended to not only equal their PS3 counterparts, but actually look and play better than them.   

[Naru]

shmokes is right. 
The size of the Plasma, LCD or
whatever version HD TV you got
doesn't make the Ps3 better.

Ha ha, I just got a 50" projection HD TV
and wouldn't you know it, after a solid
year of playing my 360, tonight it
gets the
red light of death.
Man was I cheesed.
Fortunately I paid for that extended service plan
and after 20 minutes on the phone with a robot,
I was transferred to a mystic in India
who is going to send me a box to ship my 360
back to him for divine intervention.

[Zero_Hour]

I've been having a blast with the new Nintendo system. After saying there was nothing on the PS3 to compel me to pick one up anytime soon, I hear that there is one app that just totally kicks ass on it - Folding@Home.  Who would have thought that the best press Sony gets in the early stages of launch, is a program you run when you aren't playing games.  Now they just need to publish some games that blow away the competition in a similar fashion. They will eventually I'm sure, but for now I'll sit back and await a larger library of games, (and hopefully a price reduction) and enjoy some cheap fun with the Wii.

And BTW, the Wii looks pretty sweet in progressive scan mode on my HD CRT, which I will take over LCD or Plasma any day.

[geomartin]

I was down at the local play'n'trade today looking for a Wii.  He said still no Wii, but he has 4 PS3's in stock.  Has had them all week with no takers!  Me thinks that no amount of new software is going to overcome that price point for the hardware.  Everyone wants to wait for the price drop.  I believe this to be an ominous sign for Sony!

[shmokes]

It ain't, though.  Sony is not going to be a failure here.  If anybody ends up with more market share than Sony this time around, it's going to be Microsoft, not Nintendo, IMO (and unfortunately).  Either way, PS3 is going to be fine.  It's almost April!!!  The only reason it seems even the slightest bit remotely strange to you that PS3s are readily available more than four months after launch is that Wii's are still hard to find (which I personally think is a manufactured shortage at this point).  It's been mover four months.  A person absolutely should be able to walk into an electronics store and walk out with a PS3.  Stocked shelves four months after launch is not especially indicative of doom.

[Zero_Hour]

Seeing as how the Wii has outsold the PS3 by more than 2 to 1 (6 million / 2.7 million) since launch, according to VGCharts.org, I have a hard time believing that it is a "manufactured shortage" on Nintendo's part.  Nintendo's earlier launch in Europe than Sony has affected availability elsewhere. Sony is a little behind where MS was around this time last year, though the Euro launch numbers should help even that out or even put Sony ahead of MS - assuming they sell through the million units they reportedly had ready for the launch.

Personally, I still feel it's way too early to try and pick a winner, and thus far each of the players seems to have a strong point among end users:

360 - The best online experience by far.
PS3 - The hardware with the most potential (I was kidding about F@H as a killer app, but it does show off at least some of the potential of the cell architecture)
Wii - The most intriguing control setup.

Now we just need to see more quality titles, and pick the system(s) that best fit. As always, that takes time. 

I think at their current pace of sales, all three contenders can at least rest easy knowing they will all outsell the Dreamcast. 

[shmokes]

PS3 - The hardware with the most potential (I was kidding about F@H as a killer app, but it does show off at least some of the potential of the cell architecture)

It's true.  PS3's are already making up more than half the workload of the folding@home project.  There are only like 13,000 PS3's currently working on it, as opposed to more than 160,000 PCs (some high end, some low end, some in the middle, of course), as well as thousands of Macs and Linux boxes.  That 13,000 PS3s are doing more work than everyone else combined is pretty impressive.  It's not unreasonable to suggest that of the 160,000 PCs working on it, at least 13,000 of those are going to be high-end PCs.

p.s., I can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers, but I think I'm remembering those more or less correctly.

[TyrannosaurusRox]

Ok  have you played it on a 42 inch plasma?

I have seen the xbox 360 on the same type of screen and I'm sorry but your above statement doesn't hold water.  Fan boy or not *I* think its miles better and you can play it without wanting to throw the console out the window.

I also believe when more people play on the PS3, they will dump their Xbox 360 thus creating a surplus on Ebay. 

So sorry to differ with you, but I live in the UK where £450 is a lot of money nearing $900 and for that money I expect the best.  Unfortunately I have to get a Plasma to play it on.

...

I played a PS3 and to tell you what, it's swayed me to buying a 360.  I thought "well, if this is next gen gaming, I may as well save myself a couple of hundred and buy a 360", especially if you need to buy a £800 plasma tv to 'truly appreciate' Ridge Racer    And I don't know if you've checked UK ebay for surplus PS3's, but go have a ganders if you like - you'll probably pick one up cheaper than in the stores.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Ninty/M$ fanboy, I think the ps2's the second best console since the snes in terms of the amount of fun it gave me, and I think the PS3 will do really well eventually, but seriously you want to throw an xbox out of the window because it doesn't look nice on a plasma screen???  I think you're in the wrong place if you think graphics are the be all and end all.  Look at this...

... Does this make your eyes hurt? 

[shmokes]

And, of course, even more important is that the Xbox 360 currently looks as good as or better than a PS3 on a 42" plasma.  So while his statement would be little bit ridiculous even if there was a grain of truth in it, it becomes comedy god when you consider that he wants to throw a console out the window because his imagination is inventing shortcomings with the 360 that simply aren't there.  LMAO.

[Zero_Hour]

p.s., I can't be bothered to look up the actual numbers, but I think I'm remembering those more or less correctly.

Folding Stats by OS

[shmokes]

If PS3 cures Alzheimer's I'm getting one on principal.  That's all there is to it.   Both my grandpas died of Alzheimer's.  I need that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- cured. 

[MustardTent]

So, I've been wrestling with the question of what to do now that I have a Wii.

1) Get one or two GameCube controllers and some highly reviewed GameCube games.  I've never had a GameCube, so this'll be a totally new experience for me.  GameCube stuff can be bought used, and (I'm guessing here) is going to be cheaper than buying new games on the current-gen systems.

2) Buy an Xbox 360. Enjoy having one system meant for mainstream entertainment that supports high-def (Xbox360), and one for innovation (Wii).

I understand that one is more expensive than the other, but that choice has more of a future (in terms of new products becoming available).

Thoughts?

[M.Lanza]

So, I've been wrestling with the question of what to do now that I have a Wii.

1) Get one or two GameCube controllers and some highly reviewed GameCube games.  I've never had a GameCube, so this'll be a totally new experience for me.  GameCube stuff can be bought used, and (I'm guessing here) is going to be cheaper than buying new games on the current-gen systems.

2) Buy an Xbox 360. Enjoy having one system meant for mainstream entertainment that supports high-def (Xbox360), and one for innovation (Wii).

I understand that one is more expensive than the other, but that choice has more of a future (in terms of new products becoming available).

Thoughts?

If innovation's what your looking for, then why do you want a wii?

[MustardTent]

It's not likely that I will view youtube videos during the day.  So, how's about a synopsis?

[AtomSmasher]

It's not likely that I will view youtube videos during the day.  So, how's about a synopsis?

http://www.xavix.com/

Its basically a bunch of different sports games with specific controllers for each sport.  Its been around for a while and does look pretty cool, but I have no idea how well it actually works.

[Zero_Hour]

So, I've been wrestling with the question of what to do now that I have a Wii.
1) Get one or two GameCube controllers and some highly reviewed GameCube games.  I've never had a GameCube, so this'll be a totally new experience for me.  GameCube stuff can be bought used, and (I'm guessing here) is going to be cheaper than buying new games on the current-gen systems.

I went with The GC option, picked up a couple of Wavebirds, and a memory card, and am currently playing through Metroid Prime, that I picked up for $7. Along with a few Virtual Console titles, and SSX Blur, my system is not sitting idle. Plus, my wife an I still are having a blast with Wii Sports.

I see myself getting a 360 or a PS3 eventually, but I'm happy to wait for prices to drop and game libraries to expand.

[shmokes]

That seems like a pretty good move.  I would like a 360 or PS3 eventually, but I have so many stolen games on my original Xbox, and so little gaming time, that I just don't see it as a priority.  As long as you can be content with catching up on the Gamecube games you may as well take advantage of it to save some cash.

[ark_ader]

Good lord, a 42" plasma isn't going to make a PS3 game better than a 360 unless the game is running at a higher resolution and has higher quality textures.  Motorstorm runs at 720p.  It does not even run at 1080i, let alone 1080p.  There are no games out for the 360 that don't support at least 720p so, again, you are completely full of ---Cleveland steamer---.  360 games that look better on a 42" rear projection TV will continue to look better on a 42 inch plasma.  Where do you come up with ---Cleveland steamer--- like this?  Do you think that the PS3 has a plasma enhancement chip?  You think it detects the proximity of plasma technology and turns on the "magically make the game look better" setting?  What about a 42" LCD?  Would the PS3 or Xbox 360 look better on that technology, LMAO?

BTW, the 360 is perfectly capable of outputting a 1080p, so even if PS3 games ever do look better than 360 it will have nothing to do with whether you're hooking the systems up to a 42" plasma.  Both systems can output the same resolutions.  The TV you hook them do is never going to be the deciding factor as to which system looks better.  You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.  My gut tells me that a few years from now PS3 games will tend to look slightly better than 360 games, in the way that Gamecube games tended to look slightly better than PS2.  But it sure as hell hasn't happened yet.  Frankly, the 2nd generation 360 games have tended to not only equal their PS3 counterparts, but actually look and play better than them.   

Do you own a PS3 and a 42" Plasma?  If you did you would know that the PS3 configures the screen on startup.  Motor Storm plays at 1080p and I have seen it with my own eyes.

You don't know me well enough to make a personal statement like you did, regardless of your personal rant of the Xbox 360.  If the unit makes me mad at it due to awkward controls it will be either on ebay or out the window.

I do know you are trying to get a rise out of me by posting that crap but to be honest, I do not know why you won't take me for my word and let it be.

Have I offended you someway?  Have I made a technical lie in my above posts?  PM me and lets take that further.

The Xbox 360 is a nice console that displays a good resolution and the graphics are very good, it is just the control aspect that I do not like, which goes the same fo r the Wii.  If I spend my money on a console, it has to be one that I get enjoyment out of.

I do not see the above statement invoking any of those negative and insulting comments you have made.

Please explain yourself Shmokes.

Can I have the moderator's opinion too please?

[shmokes]

Motor Storm plays at 1080p and I have seen it with my own eyes.

Oh, well, if you've seen it with your own eyes, perhaps I should reconsider.  Presumably you personally counted all 1080 lines of resolution as well, right?

MotorStorm plays in 720p.  I repeat:  MOTORSTORM DOES NOT SUPPORT 1080i OR 1080p.

And you didn't say that only the control on 360 is crap (which is also an absurd statement, frankly.  The controllers have nice, high quality, accurate buttons and sticks and are considered very comfortable by most people, not to mention that the left analog stick is in the correct spot on the 360, while Sony continues to doggedly insist on putting the D-pad in the default position for your thumb.  ---smurfing--- morons).

What you said specifically is:  "The games I saw blew the 360 away.  Doesn't come close - yep no way near and you have to experience it on a plasma to see my perspective."  Now, if all you're talking about is the ---smurfy--- controller of the 360, and not the graphics, where does the 42" plasma come into play.  If I play the 360 on an LCD screen will it control just fine.  Is it only on a 42" plasma that the controller issues on the 360 become apparent? 

By the way, how would a PS3 fair on a 60" plasma.  Would I still have a good experience, or do I have to get a 42" plasma to get maximum benefit from that system, LMAO.

I do not own a PS3 or a 42" plasma.  But what I do have, which you lack, is a basic understanding of how display technology works.  The only way the PS3's superiority to the 360 would be apparent only on a 42" plasma (I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean on any high definition television, not just on 42" plasmas), is if the 360 could not output HD resolutions.  In a situation like that a PS3 and an Xbox 360 might look similar on a standard def TV set because the PS3 would only be able to run in 480i or 480p, which would match the 360's resolution.  In that case the difference would become apparent when you hooked both systems to an HD TV (a 42" plasma, for example) and the 360 would still be displaying 480p because that's all it's capable of, while the PS3 could then bump up to 720p or 1080i/p.  THIS IS NOT THE CASE.  The 360 is capable of outputting EXACTLY THE SAME resolutions as the PS3.  If both systems can output an identical video signal, the TV you view them on is irrelevant. 

The PS3 might be able to push better graphics, with more polygons at higher framerates with more effects turned on, etc.  This has nothing to do with what TV you view it on.  The fact is, every 360 game is running HD resolutions.  Gears of War runs at 1080i while Resistance: Fall of Man, probably the best looking PS3 game so far, runs at only 720p.  On top of that, Gears of War has better graphics than Resistance.

I guess the short of it is, you're full of ---Cleveland steamer---.  The claims you are making are not only sensational, but they are flat-out false.  I can't stand fanboyism for this reason.  I love Nintendo, but I'm not going to go around making ridiculous claims about them in order to give the company free advertising.  I have no problem voicing my opinion about the various consoles, and making it known that Nintendo is my favorite videogame maker, but I don't let my love for the company make me unable to accepts facts, or to delude me into thinking that mediocre games like MotorStorm are both amazingly fun (it ain't) or has the best graphics of any game ever made for any system (it doesn't -- in fact that honor would go to a game for the PC or the 360 at this point).

In other words, stop being a tool.  Sony doesn't pay you, so why should you be an evangelist for them.  In fact, last I checked, you have to pay them for the privilege of using their hardware and software.  When you're reading your PS3rocksHARDCORE.COM or IsleepWITHaPS3downMYpants.com websites, consider for a second that the information you get there is unreliable.  It is information coming from people like you, who just believe everything good they hear about the system because they want to believe those things, not because they are true or even plausible.  Fanboys are obnoxious because they have a religion-like faith in their system and no amount of evidence/proof to the contrary will shake that faith (see also: "MotorStorm runs in 1080p.  I've seen it with my own eyes.")

[ark_ader]

shmokes:

Well I have seen Motorstorm at 720 resolution and the 1080p looks far better.  The fact that you cannot "Back up" your claims proves my point exactly. 

I do hope your are representing your "Cyber" self in this argument and not your real self, as I pity those around you when they have a disagreement when in company.  I mean this in a nice way too.

Regardless of your self imposed views on the subject it won't sway from my original statement - the PS3 blows the Xbox Away.  Sony doesn't need to pay me for those comments as I intend to pay Sony to experience those comments in my living room. 

My friends think this type of argument is funny as they own both the PS3 and the Xbox360.  They prefer the PS3.  Your post came up last night in conversation, and they do see your point, they still think it is moot now the PS3 is out.

Read my previous comments about the controller and you will see you jumped at my previous post without thinking.  I do not blame you for that as it is quite clear you feel that my comments have somewhat inflamed you to write such garbage.  It is quite a detraction from your usual informed comments, which endures you to this forum.

My best suggestion regarding this argument is to agree that the Original Xbox is the bees knees and leave it at that, or your credibility on this board will be strained as it appears your heart operates the keyboard rather than your brain.  Something I guess we are all guilty of. Myself included.

This is case in point to your response that you cannot determine my resolution comment as you have no similar materials to base it on.  Does it really matter though?  Yes.  Especially when you insult a fellow member just to get your point across.

Wii and Xbox 360 is out , within budget and the PS3 is very questionable due to the expense, but if we are looking at controller friendly and quality of the games - the PS3 is in my opinion the clear winner.

PM me if this tirade is to continue as it must be boring to others who frequent.

[ppilot]

Well I have seen Motorstorm at 720 resolution and the 1080p looks far better.

He's getting upset because what you're saying just...doesn't...make...any...sense 

You don't understand at ALL what you're saying.  There's nothing WRONG with that (there are tons of things I don't understand.)  But I know enough not to discourse at length about them as if I do!

[ChadTower]

Do you own a PS3 and a 42" Plasma?  If you did you would know that the PS3 configures the screen on startup.  Motor Storm plays at 1080p and I have seen it with my own eyes.

Please explain how your PS3 interfaces with the TV's firmware and has the ability to issue commands that the TV actually follows.

[shmokes]

shmokes:

The fact that you cannot "Back up" your claims proves my point exactly. 

Good lord . . . I provided you a link.  What more do you want?  Will any of these work:

Petition asking Sony to release a patch that would enable upscaling from 720p to 1080p

The Sony-run Playstation.com site that describes Motorstorm as "displayed in glorious High-Definition (720p)"

Confirmation from Joystiq.com

A Gamezone.com interview with the developer of MotorStorm where he is asked:  "One Sony exec says 1080, another Sony exec says 720p – what’s the official resolution?"  And he Responds, "I can confirm MotorStorm runs at 720p."

Are you daft?  I can't believe that you would possibly say that I haven't backed up my claim.  I already linked you to reliable confirmation of what I'm saying.  I then described in detail how the technology works, and how because of the way it works what your saying not only is not true, but CAN NOT BE TRUE. 

And how have you backed up your arguments?  "I've seen it with my own eyes."  Well, with powerful backup like that, it's a wonder that I don't just toss out what everyone, including Sony and the Developer say about the title.

MOTORSTORM DOES NOT RUN IN 1080P

It doesn't.  It simply does not.  No amount of wishful thinking or misguided beliefs on your part will increase the resolution that this game can display.  I understand that the PS3 is capable of outputting a 1080p signal.  I understand that your 42" plasma is capable of displaying a 1080p signal.  I understand that you have configured your PS3 to display a 1080p signal on your plasma.  But, and this is the important part -- try to pay attention and learn, the resolution of the signal actually sent to the TV, regardless of what the PS3 and your TV are capable of, is determined by THE GAME.  Some PS3 games do run at 1080p.  MotorStorm does not.  They originally planned to, but considering it's only running at 30fps at 720p it's pretty obvious that with the level of detail and graphical effects going on, pushing it to 1080i/p would have slowed the framerate down too much.

Either way, for the 1000th time, it doesn't make a difference.  Xbox 360 can output a 1080p signal, so even if MotorStorm could run at 1080p (it can't) it doesn't mean that it would be doing something that could not be duplicated on the 360. 

[ChadTower]

Breathe, man.

[shmokes]

It's true.  Thanks.   I needed that.