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Xiaou2:
First of all, you seem to go on the attack when someone challenges your point of view,
 
  If someone challenges me,  surely I will return it.   Thats the nature of the game.


Well Dave,   I never used to use the Icons.. but hey..  they were there :P
And  again,  its my chioce to do so..   and Your opinion for me not to.    However,  according to your post.. you are in fact ORDERING me not to.    I dont take orders from you last time I looked at my paycheck...    :lame:
 

I already said it was my opinion in my post.  Perhaps if you weren't consumed by some insane rage,


  ANd I KNOW you said that..  however read further..  and you see I said that you are saying that your opinion is superior to others here.    Theres a difference in having an opinion, and telling people "factually" that their "opinions are wrong".

 And for the record,  Im not in Rage mode.  I rarely get angered..  However, I will defend my positions and make my points clear.


 And I expressed my opinion stongly, granted, but I don't think I'm forcing anyone at gunpoint to agree with me.   

  "finite number of ways of doing it properly"   is not an OPIONION statement.   This reads Factual.  As if you are saying "your wrong..  1+1=2"     This in not an opinion statement.

 If you were to write:   "In my opinion,  its best to use...."    then its an opionion.  Not factual and
demeaning to others with differing opinions.


I'm sorry I offended your stance on "wacky panels".  Go forth and make a 35-inch wide panel with four rotary joysticks, three trackballs (all of which are in a different room), and two pairs of "Paperboy" handlebars (in case you want to play it twice).   While you're at it, put your buttons in a circle.  Because, you know, the best way to recreate the 'arcade experience' is to deviate as much from it as possible. 

 Havnt offened my position at all.   I, like MANY others here have different opinions here.   I dont force them down anyones throats,  and I dont intentionally try to make others look bad for thier choices and opinions.  (unless they really push it with me)     

 In my opinion,  I feel that many trackball layouts are too close to the monitor..  so much so
that you cant get a fast roll to them without hitting the glass or at least fearing it.    In fact,
Ive even heard posts about it happening before.   To me,  Id personally use another method than what matt chose..  however,  in comparison,  its not a bad solution.   Esp if one is very
serious into these games and wants as much spastic speed as possible,  to achieve very high levels, scores, etc.

 And BTW - if you were refering to the Panel I made..  It had one Superhangon control, and one
Starwars controller - (both hand built).    While you could control both games with the starwars
controller..  there is a different feel with a motorcycle controler.. esp the throttle speed control.. which is much more accurate.    Anyone care to try to beat my score/levels  on super hangon with a starwas yoke alone..   I just about gaurentee they cant do it.       Also, because there are TWO controllers...  one can play dual racing games on a single panel.

 It seems, Unlike you,   I actually Care about doing very well when I play a game.   


Finally, if you read the site (which you probably didn't), you will see that he DID post his cab.  But I guess it's better to be filled with venomous anger than to have all your facts straight.

 How about this DAVE,  I did read the site... and saw his cab.   He was definitely easier on his
own than the rest.    BUT DID YOU READ MY POST??   NopE.   I SAID THAT HE DOESNT HAVE THE
BRASS TO PUT HIS NEW  Cabinet up!!!!     AND HE DOESNT HAVE THE BRASS TO REVEAL HIMSELF.

 WHY  cause hes a gutless worm of a creature!     Yeah, lets see him stoll over to these
guys houses and say those things in the way he said them to thier faces.    Um... Yeah.. its not gana happen.    That tough guy, foul swined mouthed, creature from the black lagoona aint got brass balls except when hes hiding behind his mothers rear end.
   
 Hows that for a critique?

DaveMMR:
Well, thanks for the lesson on the word 'opinion'.  Apparently it means 'if I don't agree with you then you are a tyrant and bossy and have delusions of superiority'. 

I feel I should add that I wasn't fully aware that that guy roasted your rotating panel (I didn't associate the name with the project), so maybe I see now why you're on the defensive.  I finally put two and two together after reading davieboynj's post.   Let the record show that your panel in a pretty decent solution to the problem of multiple controls in limited space.  I feel the only reason it made the "crapmame" site was because he didn't read any documentation as to how the drum would be implemented in a cabinet or showcase.

So, to simplify, why are you getting so mad - you should have known by my statements that I wasn't even talking about your panel.  The "two handlebar" remark was a coincidence, by the way, as I didn't memorize the controls on your drum.

As davieboynj said, you must be in some agreement to my point if you even went through the trouble of making your rotation contol panel.

And, now seriously Xiaou, you really need to relax.  You're being a little irrational.  I'm sorry that guy didn't like your panel.  I'm sorry you can enjoy Centipede from a sharp angle while I can't.  It's one guy's opinion (not your definition, the dictionary's one).

Xiaou2:



 Xiaou2, if you didn't think there was an ideal panel layout, why would you work so hard to build something with a rotating panel?  Why not just throw them haphazardly on a big piece of wood?  I think you believe in ideal layouts more than most (not a bad thing Smiley ).

   Davie,  you Miss the point entirely.     There may be better ways to play certain games.  Better ways to arrange things..    however..   these are often opinions really.   As not everyone shares the same opionions..   and its not right to DECLARE your OPIONION is the ABSOLUTE DIVINE TRUTH.     And certianly not right to bash others at thier expense because of their opionions and creations.


And if you really believe this:

Good layout makes your cabinet more like the arcade experience (read: a centered track ball), and minimal buttons make our cabinets more accessible to others and comfortable for ourselves. 


  *first off..  you assume that scores of people are treking to our places to play
our machine.   This isnt always the case.  And more times than not, WE will be there
attending and playing along.   

 *Next,  you assume that many layouts have trackballs distanced accordingly to the arcades..
in which there is plenty of room to spin them without hitting the monitor or other controls.   If this isnt the case... which seems many more times than not..   THEN ITS NOT LIKE THE ARCADE EXPERIENCE.    Not to mention.. that some Tballs are mounted to high up that its straining to
reach them...  and hard to maintain good controll for a durration of gametime without extreme fatigue.    In that case, its a sacrafice of comfort and control for (in this case) a slightly better viewing angle..    or good positioning on thier CP.

*Next,  You also mention Minimal buttons.    While I may in my opinion agree to an extent..  I also believe in placement of as many needed for the games I perfer to play.    For example.. to play Neo-Geo games well..  its better to place 4 buttons in a row.  This allows all buttons to be pressed at once in samuri showdown for example..  in which a Street Fighter layout can not easily do.    Tho to play SFII,  you need the dual rows of 6 buttons.   So making a SFII layout with an extra button on the top row for the NeoGeo games is a good thing, IMOP.

 There are many other examples where More buttons will enhance the experience with certain games than detract from it.   Which you may like the LOOK of the reduced buttons.. that again is YOUR OPINION.  NOT A FACTUAL TRUTH.   

That is really (i think) what most of us are after.  I don't think Dave meant anything other than that. 

 Im reading Daves words as they are written.   Your words are much more tactfull,  respectfull, and not as much claiming to have the factual truth and divine holy word on BYOAC.

Quote from: Xiaou2 on Yesterday at 08:30:16 PM
Btw - I could care less that my partial proto got onto the site.  In fact, Id feel the same if it were not.   The points remain the same. 

I think thou dost protest too much.  You already jumped KevSteele, and now DaveMMR, and pretty soon (i'm guessing) myself. 

 
 Well Davieboy,   I defend  others as well as my own postion.   I personally dont like
seeing jerks trash others works to glorify thierselves.   Do you?   Maybe you do it too?

 I admittedly jumped on Kev on accident and appologized for misreading a statement.  However, I have read the others clearly, and am not saying anything else in my post that doesnt have good reasoning and deserving behind them.

 
 

DaveMMR:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 06, 2006, 02:41:10 am ---
  that again is YOUR OPINION.  NOT A FACTUAL TRUTH.   


--- End quote ---

Exactly when did either of us write out statements out as if they were read by Moses after coming down the mountain with two tablets in his hand?

Can we just all assume that everything said infinitum, is "opinion" and not have to underline that with a million lines?  The O, P, I and N buttons on my keyboard are getting worn out having to reiterate that to you.



Xiaou2:
Well, thanks for the lesson on the word 'opinion'.  Apparently it means 'if I don't agree with you then you are a tyrant and bossy and have delusions of superiority'.

 No, it means I believe one should word things in a way that show you are stating an opinion.. and in doing so, arnt putting others down in the process.    I dunno.. i just think thats a much nicer way to be..  dont you? 


I feel I should add that I wasn't fully aware that that guy roasted your rotating panel (I didn't associate the name with the project), so maybe I see now why you're on the defensive.  I finally put two and two together after reading davieboynj's post.   Let the record show that your panel in a pretty decent solution to the problem of multiple controls in limited space.  I feel the only reason it made the "crapmame" site was because he didn't read any documentation as to how the drum would be implemented in a cabinet or showcase.

 

 Well dave, thanks for that.   But really,  there are many flaws with it.   One being the mini-panel that hangs over the rest.    I just didnt care to redo it.    Does it look like crap..  sure..   but it actully was very comfortable  (nothing hit your crotch or even came close)..  and it would have been very functional should I have finished it.    Tho I changed my mind about the types of things I wanted.. such as wanting leaf sticks and some other things.   So, it will be re-designed as a sit-down at a later date - simular to unclets... but different in scale, design, and functionality.

 I realize the proto wasnt the best.. and  even more so as time has come and gone.   I built that  thing when marble paper was the rage here.    Art wasnt  printed anywhere.    Its older than dirt, and was designed even well before that.    I can appreciate someone doesnt like it..  thats fine to me.    In fact, I never cared what it looked like.  I just want to play all the games with
arcade controls,  without having to swap a damn thing..  and so thats what I came up with. 

 Im not angered that Im on the site..  Im more upset for the others actually.   And just the entire concept and reason behind it.    I used to be picked on a kid a lot..  so when I see others
getting the short end.. I will always come to defend against the offenders.
 

So, to simplify, why are you getting so mad - you should have known by my statements that I wasn't even talking about your panel.  The "two handlebar" remark was a coincidence, by the way, as I didn't memorize the controls on your drum.


  Again, Im not getting Mad.  Im merely defending my position.   Maybe miffed at best.  And.. no, theres no way I could know or not If you 'realized'..  which is why I put that "If you"  in there. 
Not that it matters..  as again.. this really isnt so much about me...as its about, 'in general'.  About treating others respectfully and equally well.   

 
As davieboynj said, you must be in some agreement to my point if you even went through the trouble of making your rotation contol panel.


 I do to a degree agree with your Opinions.  Yes.    But the way in which you worded things
was what I had a beef with.   As well as some other disagreements with opinions.  But again, the main issue..   is not you.  but the guy whos devoted a site to making his ego grow by kicking others down.

And, now seriously Xiaou, you really need to relax.  You're being a little irrational.  I'm sorry that guy didn't like your panel.  I'm sorry you can enjoy Centipede from a sharp angle while I can't.  It's one guy's opinion (not your definition, the dictionary's one).

 Dave,  dont tell me what to do.   Ive already told  you this before... that I dont follow your commands.

 Next, I am relaxed.  But again, am making my points clear.  Its your wording that is basically now feuling this thread.   Maybe you could take a re-read and see how it sounds from the other persons perspecitve and opposing views?   

 But thanks for the sympathy anyways.   Not so much as needed,  but Appreciated.

 

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