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Xiaou2:
 Ive noticed that mame has a real problem with shifter games if you try to use a real arcade shifter with them.   This makes playing great games like  Spy Hunter, Turbo, Outrun...and more almost impossible with a real arcade shifter.

 Ive decided to post on mame board, which is currently asking for donations for the Dumping project:

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 Instead of begging.. I will try bribeing :)

I will donate 100$ to the project if a dev makes a way to allow a 'toggle' mode for shifter games.

For example:

Spy Hunter now works with pressing one key and releaseing it for shifting up.. and to shift down, you have to do the same.

However, If hooking spy hunter up to a real arcade shifter, this does not work, because the switch is HELD DOWN, either Always on or held always off. Currently, Youd have to press up + down to shift high, then up + down to shift low... which messes the gamplay timing up.

Understandably, keyboards might not react well to a key being held down all the time. However, using a joystick button, mouse button, num lock, scroll lock, or even the tab key, (should you choose to remap the menu function) all would seem fine for this.

Simularly, games like Daytona Usa, have a 4 way shifter which has four switches. However, once a switch is 'on'.. it stays held on, untill the shaft is moved into another position. These games also need the 'toggle mode', for true shifter support.

Maybe press and hold the key/button for 3 seconds, will change it to a 'toggle' type button in the controller Menu?

Let it be known that Ive donated in the past without asking for anything, and will again. However, a little incentive never hurt either ;)

Planning to rebuild a cabinet soon, and this is a very needed features. A lot of people are having trouble with this, and would love this feature. Im pretty sure I could get others to join in with the funds for this as well.

May not be a lot, but its all I can afford for now.

Thanks for all the great work.

Anyone up to it?

Thanks
:)

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 Anyone else care to join (that is willing to make a simular large as you can afford donation?) ?

 Please post on the mame message board.

 If you wish to donate regaurdless, maybe you can say that you will donate "More" later,  should the feature be added.  Or just plain donate anyway - at least this is an advertisment if all else fails :)

 

Minwah:
I would settle for the shifters being handled as per the original games (currently some are, some are not).  However mentioning this to MAMEdev is pretty much futile.  I think your 'bribe' will also be futile.  I would love to see this taken care of also, but I wouldn't donate solely for this as in principal (arguably according to MAME's own goals) it should be done regardless.

Silver:
well it would be nice for some change of some description to be done...

I think the codes already out there (for some games anyway).

Anyone have a link to the code for patching this in various games? I used to have the pole position patch source patch....

Xiaou2:

 Minwah,

  I agree, that games should be handled as they are meant to be.    Id be currious to see which games handle the shifter correctly, as most Ive seen do not.   Ill have to double check.   If anyone knows offhand, or has a list, it would be appreciated.

 I would love to donate more to the funds on principle.  However, being that I cant really afford to be so reckless with my funds.    I have to have personal incentive to be more reckless than usual..   and this is the way I can live with it... as its worth it to me.

 People asking for features may be futile..  but to offer a donation in return.. I do not think its so bad.  Im sure it may have been done behind closed doors before.

 Its a lot less scandelous than the paypal for capcom decryption thing that went on... and well.. that got results.. even though they werent quite the best results...
Still, it prooves a point that money moves the world. (sadly)

 Imagine if all of 200,000 mame users donated 3$ a month to a single dev.  Most likely, that dev wouldnt need to work.  He be free to spend 24-7  on nothing but mame. ..    But, how would something like that happen?    Not by people thinking that its Futile.       

 Lets be realistic...  A lot missing donations are more to do with lack of interest than lack of funds.   

 While Im not condoning a massive bend twords money for driver/features..  Im not saying that a few here and there wouldnt hurt productivity either. (in both mame improovment, and boards purchased)

 I say, theres nothing wrong with requesting a feature like this.    Its a win win for all parties.

 And yes, I have donated in the past.  For the simple passion of preservation. 

 While devs and I may have different ends in our passions.. they do cross paths

 I have the utmost love for the Devs genious and hard work.    Not forgetting the tireless efforts of the Guru.. and all the others who help to make Mame the great program that it is.

 
 
 

tetsujin:
While I'd love to see this and a number of other reforms to how Mame handles miscellaneous input and output (many of which have been implemented already, but aren't being integrated), I have to say it seems like it'd be an incredibly easy thing to fix at the hardware level.  Just create a circuit that generates "shift up" signal pulses when the shifter is shifted up, and "shift down" signal pulses when the shifter is shifted down.

It's not a perfect solution, but I think it'd probably be "good enough" in lieu of a software fix.

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