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One more plug for gameex
tspeirs:
--- Quote from: LJHalfbreed on January 21, 2006, 07:25:35 pm ---I'm not a fanboy of any other FE, just was kinda puzzled by the creator's choice of 'gaining donations'.
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Don't think I would not do a huge happy dance if I made a lot money of from it, but to answer where you are puzzled in simple terms and not going into costs and my motivation, it keeps the project available, alive, updated, supported and coming on leaps and bound on a weekly basis. The opposite of this is a Dead project. I believe the app is of commercial quality IMHO. The way I see I am only doing what Andy is doing, I am pretty sure he is not making a mint either, but we'd sure miss those arcadevga cards and IPAC's if he's company went backrunpt.
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Yes MAME is a free project, but can you report a bug in MAME, and have a new release in 2 hours? Can you request an ehancment to it, and have your dream come true within a week? Hey the devs dont give a ---Cleveland steamer--- about your feature request. What do they care there doing it for free, and the project is driven by themselves? GameEx you can, it's not MAME.
As a side point, you all may have started to notice that various open source projects are developing a commercial side. Basically this is so if you do want to spend your money your'll get a better service.
Bones:
Really Tom, although I do admire your patience and standing in this matter; I don't think you need to make a single explanation to anybody who questions your product, or the way in which you choose to market and support it.
It really is nobody else
tspeirs:
OK, Ill shut up now then ;)
Perhaps some kind moderator would lock this thread, but I've said way to much anyhow.
LJHalfbreed:
--- Quote from: tspeirs on January 22, 2006, 06:48:55 am ---
--- Quote from: LJHalfbreed on January 21, 2006, 07:25:35 pm ---I'm not a fanboy of any other FE, just was kinda puzzled by the creator's choice of 'gaining donations'.
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Don't think I would not do a huge happy dance if I made a lot money of from it, but to answer where you are puzzled in simple terms and not going into costs and my motivation, it keeps the project available, alive, updated, supported and coming on leaps and bound on a weekly basis.
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Which is quite alright, if that's what floats your boat. I'm merely pointing out that I don't agree with it, that's all.
--- Quote ---The opposite of this is a Dead project. I believe the app is of commercial quality IMHO. The way I see I am only doing what Andy is doing, I am pretty sure he is not making a mint either, but we'd sure miss those arcadevga cards and IPAC's if he's company went backrunpt.
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There are also apps created by individuals that are neither funded by donations, nor dead. Some people create things for their own benefit, and share them to be altruistic about it. Other people create it for 'ego' satisfaction. Different things drive different people to create 'commercial quality' apps. On a side note, comparing apps and hardware is apples and oranges... Yes, andy does create things for mame, but because there is a physical component involved in the cost besides labor, it changes things just due to the nature of the product. While I'm not knocking the time and effort you've put into your software, comparing your software to hardware is kinda silly and out of place.
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Yes MAME is a free project, but can you report a bug in MAME, and have a new release in 2 hours? Can you request an ehancment to it, and have your dream come true within a week? Hey the devs dont give a ---Cleveland steamer--- about your feature request. What do they care there doing it for free, and the project is driven by themselves? GameEx you can, it's not MAME.
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True, and I'm sure plenty of people appreciate that. However, nearly every other FE i've fooled around with has the ability to change the look. Heck, even mame32 allows backgrounds and such. While I've noticed that you've said you're working on getting a theme/skin maker inside your app, you've had it out for quite a while. I saw nothing about your software that reasoned needing a nag screen for just that particular reason. In addition, I've also noticed that some additional functionality is also not present (gameextender) unless you register. So, instead of just a nagscreen, you also have reduced functionality. And, due to the nature of software in general, would you refund this donation/registration fee if a user found the software to be unuseful/unacceptable?
I just think that between the nagscreen and the reduced functionality, it makes your software much less attractive compared to other FE's available. If I try it, I have a nagscreen and missing features, which means that I can't get a valid idea if this is a good or bad software for my needs. If I 'pay to remove nagscreen and get additional features', I'm out almost 20 bucks, and have no way of getting my money back if the features/loss-of-nagscreen are worth it. Seems like a lose-lose situation. I've always been a fan of time-based shareware just for that reason.
--- Quote ---As a side point, you all may have started to notice that various open source projects are developing a commercial side. Basically this is so if you do want to spend your money your'll get a better service.
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And also as a side note, out of all the various 'open source' and 'freeware' projects out there, I notice a whole lot more that are free-as-in-liberty and continue to be, as opposed to those that suddenly go 'commercial'.
I have no problem with you trying to get compensated for your labor... I just think a nagscreen plus limited functions is *not* the way to go.
squirrellydw:
--- Quote from: markrvp on January 21, 2006, 11:13:13 am ---
--- Quote from: squirrellydw on January 21, 2006, 09:37:19 am ---
--- Quote from: markrvp on January 20, 2006, 09:10:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: squirrellydw on January 20, 2006, 08:30:23 pm ---I agree 100% MAME is free so I think everything that has to do it should be free also.
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Try convincing Microsoft that their operating systems should be free because MAME runs on them and MAME is a free project. Maybe AMD and Intel should stop charging for processors because MAME uses processors to run free games. Tell MAME Marquees that they should provide marquees for free because MAME is a free project. Tell Happ controls that joysticks should be free because it's hard to play your free MAME games on your arcade cabinet without the proper arcade controls.
That was really an ignorant argument.
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umm no, if he wants to sell his software fine, but do it in two parts. The frontend for MAME should be free, if users want to use the other features charge for that part. Happ and MAME marquees have a legitimate business beside MAME. I hate seeing people use others hard work for there profit and that is what he is doing IMHO.
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Squirrellydw: you must be on welfare because that is the only explanation for your unreasoned sense of entitlement. Why do you feel everyone here must serve you for free at the expense of their own time and resources?
In case it hasn't been explained to you before:
squirrellydw: NO ONE HERE OWES YOU A DAMN THING.
If your welfare check can't cover the cost of GameEx then use one of the free programs, but quit bitching about people who actually give up part of their lives to help out those of us in this hobby who actually appreciate it. I would gladly pay $100 for a frontend that worked flawlessly, was easy and intuitive to set up, and was well documented.
And in case you think I'm talking out my arse, check my posts and you'll find I'm one of the most helpful people here. Why don't you contribute something instead of just criticizing others who aren't bowing down to your demands quickly enough?
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Your right, no one owes me anything. It was my opinion. You are just typical and attack someone with out knowing anything about the person. FYI, I work for DHS and make nice money, it was my opinion you have yours, who is more mature you or me. I didn
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