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SirPoonga:

--- Quote from: 2600 on November 07, 2005, 08:35:10 pm ---No one said Microsoft isn't good at marketing. 

Not only will they get the people relunctant to switch, but now they are going to get a lot of new programmers hooked into VS and the "Microsoft way" of programming.  It's sad in a way for young programmers, good for people who have more experience and just want to screw around.

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Why is it sad?
Other than java most business's only use m$ products.  I found out that is a much needed to know skill.  My college only taught standards, like ansi c++, etc..  I get out of college, I didn't know wtf an MFC is or how to use visual basic.

2600:

--- Quote from: SirPoonga on November 07, 2005, 08:49:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2600 on November 07, 2005, 08:35:10 pm ---No one said Microsoft isn't good at marketing. 

Not only will they get the people relunctant to switch, but now they are going to get a lot of new programmers hooked into VS and the "Microsoft way" of programming.  It's sad in a way for young programmers, good for people who have more experience and just want to screw around.

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Why is it sad?
Other than java most business's only use m$ products.  I found out that is a much needed to know skill.  My college only taught standards, like ansi c++, etc..  I get out of college, I didn't know wtf an MFC is or how to use visual basic.

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I just finished interviewing college students, trust me when I say it is sad.  Basic understanding of simple concepts is hard for them to understand.  It's the same with the hardware guys.  I respect what your college taught you and how you are applying it, but the colleges I went to started at a much higher level and didn't understand the fundamentals.

Another thing, not everyone is learning programming in college.  I imagine there are going to be a good number who are going to be teaching themselves with this.  I doubt they will decide to teach themselves ansi C++.

But then again, this is coming from someone whos work does not use Microsoft Compilers so that skill is lost on us.  GCC and Python here.   ;)


Spartan:
Every other major OS maker provides a compiler with their OS.  It's about time MS did the same....  (this coming from a guy who routinely uses xlC on AIX, aCC on HP/UX, CC on SunOS, and yes, cl on Windows)

u_rebelscum:
I might sound MS bashing, but I don't really mean it that way. 

Have you guys heard anything about bugs with the new VS?  Arstech talked about bugs with the last Release Canidate that were not fixed so that, supposedly, VS could be released on time.

I'm interested in whether VS still have those problems, if the free express versions also still have those problems, if the problems are as bad as it sounds like, if express will be updated as quickly as the rest of VS, and when such fixes will come out.  (And if it came out free because of the bugs?)

I'd like to try the free stuff, but I don't want to mess up my home (or especially work ;)) computer, or spend hours of my rare free time rebooting, rewritting, etc.

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: SirPoonga on November 07, 2005, 06:40:15 pm ---Yeah, I'm going to see how much it bloats set49mode.
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