Author Topic: PSP "visuals" not up to hype? (Read 8659 times)

Otraotaku · « **on:** October 07, 2005, 11:03:59 am »

I have been slightly thinking about getting a PSP for Battlefront II, but as soon as I saw the screenshots im wondering why people always say its beyond PS2? if im not mistaken isnt the processor speed and video capabilitys better than PS2? thats atleast what i always hear... just never seen... $:-\$

anyone know the makeup?

("hugs" DS + SJSS)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:05:45 am »

If you want to control a first/third person shooter with only 1 analog stick that sucks, have fun

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:23:34 am »

Psp is still in the first generation games...give it time..

AS for its power, its just under a ps2 in power overall.

Stingray · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:38:41 am »

Maybe it's just me, but those graphics look pretty f'in good for a handheld.

-S

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:44:23 am »

i mean, its in the palm of your hand..its in hi-def...and the power is just a c-hair below a PS2. thats a pretty big accomplishment worthy of praise for such a small device..
even ill admit, those screens do look rather boxy, i think you should go take a look at some screens of games like Bleach 1&2 and Burnout legends. there are some absolutely gorgeous looking games for the PSP.
maybe the game itself just looks like ass ,plain and simple, nothing to do with the psp./
beleive me the hype is well deserved, i only wish i had a hi-def camera to show off what sony failed so miserably at doing ,advertising its own product and showing its capabilities.

Otraotaku · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:54:09 am »

Quote from: DYNAGOD on October 07, 2005, 11:44:23 am

i mean, its in the palm of your hand..its in hi-def...and the power is just a c-hair below a PS2. thats a pretty big accomplishment worthy of praise for such a small device..
even ill admit, those screens do look rather boxy, i think you should go take a look at some screens of games like Bleach 1&2 and Burnout legends. there are some absolutely gorgeous looking games for the PSP.
maybe the game itself just looks like ass ,plain and simple, nothing to do with the psp./
beleive me the hype is well deserved, i only wish i had a hi-def camera to show off what sony failed so miserably at doing ,advertising its own product and showing its capabilities.

thanks, im gonna go check out bleach... ^.<

Goz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2005, 12:59:03 pm »

Bleach 1 & 2 are quite badass as far as fighters go on a hand held. The graphics have a bit of a cell shaded look about them and the game play is pretty damn good.

shmokes · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:32:41 pm »

Screenshots are misleading. When the game is in fluid motion a lot of that boxiness can't be seen. Find some vidoes of PSP content for a more accurate representation. I haven't actually seen Battlefront being played. In fact I've never even seen a PSP in person outside of its box or seen any videos of PSP games. But I guarantee that they look a lot better than their screenshots because games always do.

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2005, 03:08:07 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on October 07, 2005, 02:32:41 pm

In fact I've never even seen a PSP in person outside of its box or seen any videos of PSP games.

Nor did i till i bought mine.. Does sony even realize that almost every US citizen has never seen a PSP either in video or in person? their ad campaign has comepltetely failed on all fronts. other than the die hard sony fans who would have bought one even if it looked like a 70's calculator game who the hell would buy something they have never seen? especially at these prices!I mean sonys got clout in the gaming world, but they have missed a huge opportunity by playing mystery games with the public. i think sony could have sold a HELL of alot more psp's if they had display models and commercials that actually showed the damn screen!
when i first powered mine up , i was so taken aback by its pure ultra crisp bright perfection i dont think i put it down for 5 days straight, ands this is from a guy with hi res cabinets and every game system since, well games..
if you were to buy one and got a game like Burnout, or bleach ,you would NOT be dissapointed.

Stingray · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2005, 03:14:01 pm »

I can't imagine why Sony doesn't do PSP display models. I know it would get broken if unprotected, but surely they could have some kind of protective housing to mount it in. I was just in Best Buy at lunch today. Every single game system including the DS and the GB Micro had playable floor units. PSP was nowhere in sight. At the very least they should have one inside a glass display case running a demo or something. Even if you can't touch it you could still see how the display looks.

As badly as I want a PSP, I just can't bring myself to buy one until after I've had a chance to play one myself.

-S

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2005, 04:11:26 pm »

imjust wating for a price drop or Hard drive

versapak · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2005, 04:30:12 pm »

Quote from: Stingray on October 07, 2005, 03:14:01 pm

I can't imagine why Sony doesn't do PSP display models. I know it would get broken if unprotected, but surely they could have some kind of protective housing to mount it in. I was just in Best Buy at lunch today. Every single game system including the DS and the GB Micro had playable floor units. PSP was nowhere in sight. At the very least they should have one inside a glass display case running a demo or something. Even if you can't touch it you could still see how the display looks.

As badly as I want a PSP, I just can't bring myself to buy one until after I've had a chance to play one myself.

-S

The Best Buys near me have display units. They are in the front of the store, rather than with the games, and unfortunately they are just playing the Spider-Man 2 UMD.

Stingray · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2005, 04:33:23 pm »

Quote from: versapak on October 07, 2005, 04:30:12 pm

Quote from: Stingray on October 07, 2005, 03:14:01 pm
I can't imagine why Sony doesn't do PSP display models. I know it would get broken if unprotected, but surely they could have some kind of protective housing to mount it in. I was just in Best Buy at lunch today. Every single game system including the DS and the GB Micro had playable floor units. PSP was nowhere in sight. At the very least they should have one inside a glass display case running a demo or something. Even if you can't touch it you could still see how the display looks.

As badly as I want a PSP, I just can't bring myself to buy one until after I've had a chance to play one myself.

-S

The Best Buys near me have display units. They are in the front of the store, rather than with the games, and unfortunately they are just playing the Spider-Man 2 UMD.

Could be why I didn't see one. Next time I'm in there I'll ask.

-S

Otraotaku · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:41:15 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on October 07, 2005, 02:32:41 pm

Screenshots are misleading.

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2005, 01:52:14 pm »

i agree totally with wanting to play/feel/see one ion your hand before laying out that kind of dough..
sony's loss..
way to fudge up a good thing on their part.

shmokes · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2005, 02:11:05 pm »

Here's the biggest problem with the PSP right now, IMO. It's SOO expensive. It's also very powerful so theoretically it will still be a viable system in terms of power a couple years down the road when the price will have come down. But by then it will also be a couple years old. And at that point Nintendo can build a brand new gameboy that is even more powerful and sell it for the same price as what the current PSP is going for. I think it's doomed. You just can't release a handheld gaming system for $250. It's too much. It's been out now for months. It's one thing that people never see store displays, but it's also pretty telling that after being on the market for this long people have still not seen one in the wild, being played by someone who bought it. Cos nobody's buying it.

SOAPboy · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2005, 02:22:49 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on October 10, 2005, 02:11:05 pm

Here's the biggest problem with the PSP right now, IMO.

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2005, 03:01:10 pm »

yea but DS cant even come close to the PSP hardware and visual wise.

i wonder what the holidays will have in store for the PSP price wise, they would be fools not to slash their prices to move product.

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2005, 03:18:16 pm »

played with one for about 20 minutes yesturday...the screen is so fantabulous that youd want one in a heartbeat...but that price...

shmokes · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2005, 03:38:53 pm »

Oh, I want one....don't get me wrong. I too will be interested in seeing what the holidays have in store for the price. Frankly, I think it's gotta come down to $150 if Sony wants to make any serious headway.

Stingray · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2005, 03:47:38 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on October 10, 2005, 03:38:53 pm

Oh, I want one....

Yeah, me too. As I said before though, I'm not buying until they either get a lot less expensive or I, at the very least, get to try one first hand.

-S

pointdablame · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2005, 05:05:58 pm »

I play my roommate's PSP as often as I can

The screen is gorgeous, and I really want one as well.

But like everyone else in the thread...that price just kills me. My roommate got his from FreePSPs... I wish I could do the same, but I'm having no luck with getting refs.

divemaster127 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2005, 10:25:12 am »

My son has a DS & I have a PSP, the DS cannot hold a candle to the PSP in looks, games, ability to play movies etc, to be honest I played the DS one time, its kind of crap, after I have played the PSP.

Scott84 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2005, 11:36:12 am »

Quote from: DYNAGOD on October 10, 2005, 03:01:10 pm

yea but DS cant even come close to the PSP hardware and visual wise.

i wonder what the holidays will have in store for the PSP price wise, they would be fools not to slash their prices to move product.

May be true. But DS has so many better games.

dommer · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2005, 12:02:29 pm »

Quote from: SOAPboy on October 10, 2005, 02:22:49 pm

Quote from: shmokes on October 10, 2005, 02:11:05 pm
Here's the biggest problem with the PSP right now, IMO. It's SOO expensive. It's also very powerful so theoretically it will still be a viable system in terms of power a couple years down the road when the price will have come down. But by then it will also be a couple years old. And at that point Nintendo can build a brand new gameboy that is even more powerful and sell it for the same price as what the current PSP is going for. I think it's doomed. You just can't release a handheld gaming system for $250. It's too much. It's been out now for months. It's one thing that people never see store displays, but it's also pretty telling that after being on the market for this long people have still not seen one in the wild, being played by someone who bought it. Cos nobody's buying it.

Bought 2 DSs for the price of 1 PSP..

So this means, both my gf and myself can play, instead of one of us going "ohh i wanna try"

F the psp..

Yeah, and you can get 20 Virtual Boys for the price of a PSP, and they'll still suck. Nintendo needs to get out of the hardware business. They haven't the vision for it.

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2005, 12:48:44 pm »

i have a blast with my DS, Nothing wrong with it at all.

It's not always about horsepower.

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #26 on:** October 13, 2005, 12:51:49 pm »

Quote from: Scott84 on October 13, 2005, 11:36:12 am

Quote from: DYNAGOD on October 10, 2005, 03:01:10 pm
yea but DS cant even come close to the PSP hardware and visual wise.

i wonder what the holidays will have in store for the PSP price wise, they would be fools not to slash their prices to move product.

May be true. But DS has so many better games.

yea ,if your 12
i feel like im living in in bizzarro world, never in my lifetime would i have ever thought there would be a number 1 game called nintendogs where the object is to scoop up virtual dog feces... have we become japan with the odd game fetish? whats next proctology games

Goz · « **Reply #27 on:** October 13, 2005, 12:54:58 pm »

virtual colonoscopy sounds like it would stink

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:05:33 pm »

Quote from: DYNAGOD on October 13, 2005, 12:51:49 pm

yea ,if your 12
whats next proctology games

Quote

The DS has a surgery game comnig out. dont think there is any butt surgery though

shmokes · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2005, 07:41:12 pm »

The new lawyer game for the DS looks badass. I'll tell you what, though. I have actually seen and touched a DS on multiple occasions (though I don't personally know anyone who owns one). I am not sure I believe that the PSP even exists.

pointdablame · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2005, 09:47:58 pm »

My roommate just got his DS in teh mail today (he is a FreePay god!) and I have to say I am not impressed. I think I would have a different opinion of it had I played it BEFORE the PSP, but as it stands I'm not really liking it.

The screen has a terrible viewing angle IMO. Forget about comparing it to the PSP screen... its just a lackluster screen in general. It's pretty cool overall, and I like some of the games on the system, but I don't think I'd ever get one. Its a bit bulky IMO too.

Oh well, luckily for me I can't spend the cash on either right now, so I don't have to make a decision

Generic Eric · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2005, 10:13:26 pm »

I played a game, I think it was twisted metal...i dunno...I drove around in a car, and I played it in may, so it had to be an older game.

I liked the weight of the PSP. The analog control wasn't anything special, but I was content with it, but not blown away.

It may sould like a silly reason, but I want a PSP for the ability to display pictures. I just had a girl in may and think it would be the neatest thing to be able to show off my baby girl on a PSP. I haven't seen the PSP display jpgs or anything other than that game I referred to, but I am betting it can show of pictures well, and thats what I have been told when I go into EBgames, that it displays pics very well

elvis · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2005, 10:44:43 pm »

Quote from: Otraotaku on October 07, 2005, 11:03:59 am

if im not mistaken isnt the processor speed and video capabilitys better than PS2? thats atleast what i always hear... just never seen... $:-\$

You know, the internet is a place for more than just rampant speculation. It also has plenty of factual websites full of actual information and not just rumours. Take for instance, Wikipedia:

Playstation (PSX and PSone):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation#Specifications
MIPS R3000A-compatible (R3051) 32bit RISC chip running at 33.8688 MHz

Playstation Portable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSP#Technical_specifications
The PlayStation Portable's CPU is a MIPS 4KE or 24KE series (32-bit MIPS32R2 architecture) CPU, split into two cores each operating between 1 and 333 MHz. During the GDC, Sony revealed that it has currently capped the PSP's CPU at 222, apparently in an attempt to lengthen battery life.

The independent 166 MHz 90 nm graphics chip sports 2MB embedded memory and through its 512 bit interface it provides hardware polygon and NURBS rendering, hardware directional lighting, clipping, environment projection and texture mapping, texture compression and tessellation, fogging, alpha blending, depth and stencil tests, vertex blending for morphing effects, and dithering, all in 16 or 32 bit colour, along with handling image output. Specifications state that the PSP is capable of rendering 33 million flat-shaded polygons per second, with a 664 million pixel per second fill rate. [5]

Unlike Sony's PlayStation 2 console, the GPU (PS2 Vector Unit equivalent) is not programmable, meaning that many effects that the PS2 can resolve in hardware must be implemented in software on the PSP. Nonetheless, the implementation of a GPU in the PSP is still a significant technological advance, in that it implements robust hardware-rendering for 3D graphics in the handheld market. The PSP was preceded in this regard by Nokia's N-Gage in 2003, and the Nintendo DS in 2004.

Playstation 2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2#Technical_specifications
CPU: 128 bit "Emotion Engine" clocked at 294 MHz (later versions 299 MHz), 10.5 million transistors
Main processor: MIPS R5900 CPU core, 64 bit
Graphics: "Graphics Synthesizer" clocked at 147 MHz

Summary:

PSone: R3000 family, 34MHz.
PSP: R4000 family, 222MHz Max, 166MHz graphics processor with no hardware graphics programmability.
PS2: R5000 family, 300MHz, 150MHz graphics processor graphics with full hardware graphics programmability (ie: full stencil/vertex/shader scripting, etc).

In real-world "to the human eye" terms, this puts the PS2 slightly ahead of the PSP in terms of graphics-crunching and display quality. It can do all the tasty hardware eye-candy stuff that gamers demand, and has slightly more poly-crunching grunt to feed it via the main processor.

Goz · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2005, 02:25:22 am »

The PSP displays JPG's pretty well. Its picture viewer allows you to zoom, change aspect ratio, pan, rotate, slideshow, etc....

DYNAGOD · « **Reply #34 on:** October 14, 2005, 05:39:21 am »

the processor cap placed on the psp is easily defeated. theres fastboot and a umd loader that allow you to set the processor speed to 333.
and ive noticed no real differnce in battery life as almost everything i use the PSP for i throttle it to 333.
especially emulators and racing games

elvis · « **Reply #35 on:** October 18, 2005, 12:39:15 am »

Quote from: DYNAGOD on October 14, 2005, 05:39:21 am

the processor cap placed on the psp is easily defeated. theres fastboot and a umd loader that allow you to set the processor speed to 333.
and ive noticed no real differnce in battery life as almost everything i use the PSP for i throttle it to 333.
especially emulators and racing games

How do you find the heat generation at that speed? Is it acceptable?

KenToad · « **Reply #36 on:** October 18, 2005, 11:01:45 am »

Just wanted to chime in and agree that the PSP does have an incredible screen. One of my friends has one. I can see it pretty clearly at pretty much every possible angle.

He had Dead to Rights, an okay Max Payne clone, IMO. The analog stick felt funky, kind of like the rubber "cl!t" on a laptop. It doesn't feel like a joystick to me, but maybe I've been spoiled by arcade controls. Really, I just can't imagine playing darkstalkers or any other vs. fighter with that thumbpad.

I've heard THUG for the PSP is pretty great, though, and I'm re-addicted to the original THPS series on Playstation, since I just got a PSone with LCD, which, btw, seems to be only slightly bigger than the DS with an even better library of games.

Of course, there's not really any comparison. I guess I just tried the DS and found it to be a little heavy and large for a portable. Also, the touch screen doesn't really impress me, although the surgery game does sound kind of cool.

Otherwise, I wish Sony wouldn't try so hard to spoil the homebrew scene. The GBA still has all the other portables' asses kicked in that category. For example, one of the original designer's of Out of this World (Another World) released an "official" GBA port for free download. I can confirm that it's incredible. Now that's what I call classy homebrewing. And with the price of flash carts dropping...

Cheers,
KenToad

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #37 on:** October 18, 2005, 05:14:02 pm »

psp has big screen adn big processing power which makes homebrewers love it. If the PSP has an easier input, like a touch screen, it would be premium

elvis · « **Reply #38 on:** October 19, 2005, 02:26:37 am »

Quote from: Hoagie_one on October 18, 2005, 05:14:02 pm

psp has big screen adn big processing power which makes homebrewers love it. If the PSP has an easier input, like a touch screen, it would be premium

Touchscreen = more expensive to make, more expensive to replace when broken, much easier to break.

Considering the stupid prices sony are selling the PSP for already, I'd hate to think what it would cost if it also had a touchscreen.

Hoagie_one · « **Reply #39 on:** October 19, 2005, 06:59:23 am »

ds has a touch screen and its only $129


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