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DrewKaree:

--- Quote from: BrokenBones on September 12, 2005, 02:33:48 am ---
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on September 12, 2005, 02:21:25 am ---No.  There is no cut-off point (to me) when a human being deserves to be punished with death.

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OK!  :)

I find it interesting that yourself and shmokes hold this same belief but from complete opposite ends of the spectrum. I personally don't share this view and I am not judging, just absorbing info.

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And I'm betting we came to this same belief through wildy different methods.  Mine is right, though. ;)

I understand and don't condemn folks for a different belief in this area, it's your belief for a reason, same as mine.


--- Quote ---What about if somebody stabbed a baby and then mamed a Dragons Lair?   ::)  ;D

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Well, that's just a crime against humanity or something.  I'm sure many would rise up to beat that person to within an inch of their life.....and then stop!  Meh.  I don't like Dragon's Lair.  Babies, sure. 

duffjr:
Ok, so even if the baby's life was saved, the man still deserves death under the law?  And this crime is more brutal than any serial killer in history?  How can you separate your emotions from brutal crimes in history, in foreign countries, and among strangers; but be so enthralled by this case?  It is important that we have emotion in creating our laws, but to abandon logic and equality in creating laws and punishing criminals will surely lead to anarchy.  And if they actually sentence the man to death for attempted murder, after no past cases of murder, this is a tremendous loss for the justice system.

Grasshopper:
Whilst we can all agree this is a terrible crime, when punishing someone I believe it is more important to focus of the motivations and circumstances of the person committing the crime than the crime itself.

Killing a baby in front of many witnesses is an irrational act that can only harm the interests of the perpetrator. The best case scenario for the perpetrator is that he will be locked up and the worst case scenario is that he will be executed. Therefore you don't need to be a psychiatrist to conclude that the man is insane.

Bones, you seem to be drawing a false distinction between a man who is insane for a known reason and someone who is insane for an unknown reason. We don't know why certain people go off the rails. It may be a virus, a blow to the head, a minor stroke, chemicals in the environment, genetics etc. In many cases we simply don't know and it would be presumptuous to assume that these people are a breed apart from the rest of us and that we couldn't in the right set of circumstances find ourselves in the same mental state.

I see no purpose in punishing people who are insane although I would totally agree that such people need to be locked up for society's protection. In any case the number of people who commit these extreme crimes are so small that throwing the book at them is not going to change the big picture, although it might make a certain type of person feel better.

I feel more punitive towards those individuals who commit (generally lesser) crimes out of self-interest. Such individuals may be selfish, antisocial etc but at least they are rational and are therefore more likely to respond to a deterrent.

For once I find myself in total agreement with Drew. There is no cut-off point (to me) when a human being deserves to be punished with death.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: DrewKaree on September 12, 2005, 01:22:02 am ---I AM in favor of high-rise prisons, as the idiots who seem to design them in my area can't come up with anything that doesn't swallow up a thousand acres on which is planted, at best, a 3 story building.
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Stingray:

--- Quote from: DrewKaree on September 12, 2005, 01:22:02 am ---I don't want any of you with the power to throw that switch, in however small a way you have that power.  Stingray alone would see what happens if it were thrown "for just a second....just to see what happens".


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Come on man, where's your sense of adventure? I promise that I'll turn the power right back off again. Don't be such a sissy. ;)

-S

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