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ChadTower:

You would get life because you stabbed a baby on the way into the 7-11.

Dartful Dodger:

--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on September 15, 2005, 01:12:20 pm ---If I wanted to shoot a black guy for being black, and chose the one working the night shift at the 7-11 down the street, would I get a lesser sentence if I took the money afterward, and claimed that I shot him to get the money?

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Rape is just physical assault, but it gets a greater sentence than punching someone in the arm.

If you were black and spent your whole life knowing people hated you, avoided you, watched you, attacked you, because of your skin color, you might understand.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on September 15, 2005, 01:58:26 pm ---Rape is just physical assault, but it gets a greater sentence than punching someone in the arm.
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Any psychologist would say that rape has little to do to with physical assult.  They would, and do, say that it is an emotional assault where one asserts their physical dominance in such a way to send a message to the victim rather than hurt them physically.  Often physical harm is part of the message, but not always.

Grasshopper:
One of the reasons why hate crimes should be treated more severely than "normal" crimes is to take account of the likelihood of re-offending.

If a man kills his wife in a fit of rage because he catches her in bed with another man then whilst society cannot condone the killing it is unlikely he will kill again. And he will probably continue to be a productive member of society if left to his own devices.

However, if someone kills someone simply because they are black then it is highly likely that such a person will kill again, after all there is no shortage of black people.

People who fall into the latter category need to be given a more severe punishment (i.e. greater deterrent) in order to be persuaded not to re-offend. And if the likelihood of re-offending is deemed to be unacceptably high then they should be locked up for life.

You could of course give all murderers the maximum punishment. I think this is unjust because I don't regard all acts of murder as being equal but I accept you take a different view on this.

But over-punishing people creates other problems. Society incurs a cost in punishing people. It costs a lot of money to send someone to jail for life and you also prevent that person from earning a living, paying taxes, supporting his family etc. And even if you prefer to simply execute all murderers there is the problem of creating potentially un-correctable miscarriages of justice.


--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on September 15, 2005, 01:12:20 pm ---
What sentence would you give someone who shoots an abortion doctor because he feels that doctor is guilty of baby-killing?


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I wouldn't categorise this as a hate crime in the traditional sense. You'd obviously have to look at all the facts, but there is a case for saying it should be treated in the same way as a hate crime. As there is no shortage of abortion doctors there is a high likelihood that the perpetrator will re-offend. Therefore it may be appropriate to give a longer sentence to act as a sufficient deterrent, or lock the person up for life if it is considered that the his/her convictions are so strong that it is inevitable that he/she will kill again.


--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on September 15, 2005, 01:12:20 pm ---
If I wanted to shoot a black guy for being black, and chose the one working the night shift at the 7-11 down the street, would I get a lesser sentence if I took the money afterward, and claimed that I shot him to get the money?


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This is a bit of a red-herring. It obviously depends upon whether or not you are able to fool the court with regards to your true motive for the killing.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on September 15, 2005, 01:12:20 pm ---What sentence would you give someone who shoots an abortion doctor because he feels that doctor is guilty of baby-killing?

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That is it.  NoOne has figured out why this guy is a babystabber.

This guy is a procrastinating abortion doctor.

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