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I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
fredster:
These state stats really don't prove the point. If the argument that the death penalty doesn't deter murder, then do the stats say that getting rid of the death penalty actually reduces the murder rate? There is more than one cause/effect relationship.
I ask again for you researchers, what does deter the murder rate? Anything? What actually does work ? It can't be NOT handing out the death penalty.
ShapeD, that tracking system may be a huge waste of time. $4 million so you can watch where somebody is at. Not necessiarly what he's doing. I guess the deterant would be that this person would have to wear the thing forever.
ChadTower:
The tracking system is so that parents can look up their town and see if someone in their neighborhood is a pedophile. If they are, you sure as hell don't let that person near your kids. If that guy in Florida had reigistered when he moved in with his family down there, he would have been the first person questioned when the girl disappeared from her house, rather than the last. He still had her alive when they asked at the front door and then left without knowing he was a known pedophile.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on September 14, 2005, 12:17:34 am ---It wouldn't matter. You could stop selling guns to anyone TODAY, and they would still be on the street for the next 200 years.
--- End quote ---
Thank you Glock.
NoOne=NBA=:
--- Quote from: fredster on September 14, 2005, 11:09:31 am ---I ask again for you researchers, what does deter the murder rate? Anything? What actually does work ?
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1) Keeping violent/predatory people OFF the streets.
Many murders are committed yearly by people that have a previous record of violent crime.
Keeping them off the street will eliminate ALL murders that would have been committed by these individuals--thus lowering the rate.
There may be no reduction in that rate from the previous year, but the rate will be lower than it would have been if they had been allowed to commit those crimes.
2) Armed resistance.
Again, there may not be an overall drop from one year to the next; but every time a criminal, that would otherwise have harmed/killed an intended victim, is met and stopped through THREAT of use of deadly force, it will keep the overall rate lower than it would have been otherwise.
Something else to consider about the rates themselves is that they include a large number of predatory criminals shooting OTHER predatory criminals.
The "innocent victim killed by a predatory offender per 100,000 persons" number is lower than the murder rate for a given community.
THAT number is the only one I really care about.
fredster:
The government has no obligation to protect individual citizens from individual citizens. It's been proven in court many times. If somebody comes at you with a knife, you should be able to shoot them.
It's that simple.
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