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I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: shmokes on September 13, 2005, 06:55:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on September 13, 2005, 06:47:24 pm ---
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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How do you know I'm not?
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How do you know I'm not?
Bones:
I know when it is time for restraint. Gunna sit here on the sideline now stroking my gun and just observe the game.
NoOne=NBA=:
--- Quote from: Grasshopper on September 13, 2005, 05:16:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on September 13, 2005, 01:17:01 pm ---One thing for near certain, it does not decrease the rate. U.S. states that have implemented the death penalty recently have not had a reduction of violent crime.
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Two problems with those statistics.
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How so?
I am refuting Shmokes claim that no states have shown a reduction in violent crime.
As murder is generally the only "violent crime" that is affected by the imposition of a death penalty law, there IS evidence to the contrary.
Actually pretty much ALL states have shown a reduction in violent crime.
It is just most dramatic in New York, which makes the contention that it has not completely false.
--- Quote ---Firstly the trend was already downwards and the decrease from 95 to 96 doesn't appear to buck the trend.
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Which still proves my point that there HAS been a reduction in violent crimes there.
--- Quote ---I believe that rates for all crimes in New York (not just murder) went down over the same period. But I could be wrong.
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Again proving my point that there IS evidence refuting Shmokes claims.
You can't pick and choose how to present the data.
The data is the data.
That's why I posted it raw.
Are there other factors? quite probably.
Is there data that supports Shmokes claims, in raw form? No.
As a matter of fact, the total number of murders in the U.S. has gone down 24% during the 1975-2000, which is 1% MORE than the reductions for roughly the same period Shmokes quoted above for Canada.
I would say that makes claims on the other side of the argument invalid as well.
If you discredit the data showing that the implementation of death penalty laws had no effect on murder rates, you MUST equally dispute the claim that repealing them had any effect on Canada's murder rate.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on September 13, 2005, 05:06:35 am ---
As for deportation method? Booted out of the airplane with a parachute!
The program would be cheap, and highly effective.
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You are ignoring the very real and most likely problem with your method.
Having the federal government enact this program would instantly make parachutes cost millions of dollars, perhaps even to the point where the cost per chute would be MORE than housing a criminal for life.
Not to mention that as time goes by, the levels of beauracracy would undoubtedly increase - we'd need a parachute management bureau, several levels of management, etc - as would costs.
Eff that guy. He killed stabbed a baby. I dunno why, but that phrase is starting to stick in my head.
ChadTower:
He stabbed a baby, he didn't kill a baby.
He's an incompetent babykiller.
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