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Is Foley really the devil..?? (Previously: RetroBlast is a traitor..??)
romperwomb:
--- Quote from: rchadd on June 24, 2005, 11:32:40 am ---http://www.ultracade.com/news/93/ultracade8482-gets-playmeters-cover-story
Other Atari veterans include Vice President of Domestic Sales Elaine Shirley, Engineer Cris Drobny, and receptionist Evelyn Perez. "It
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DarkKobold:
--- Quote from: KevSteele on June 24, 2005, 10:31:29 am ---Do I not review it because he's an a**hole?
Kevin
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In short, yes.
Think about Walmart for example. They have good products at a price (usually) slightly lower than other places. If you ignore their heavy handed tactics, then go ahead and shop there. Forget the fact that they are forcing American Jobs to move overseas to make the lowest prices possible.
There is a strong movement in this community to boycott Ultracade. Ultracade may very well have a great product, which is affordable and easy to use. That obviously doesn't help the boycott.
monkeybomb:
What the community could use is a factual account of what really happened with foley. Forget opinion, speculation and BYOAC threads. Get quotes from the vendors who were illegally sent C & D letters. It is news worthy and worth an unbias summary. It is also esential to verify and clarify the facts around the NAMCO ROM rights. I have cocerns over the legitamacy of any license he wants to sell. He can't sell rights to games, then tell people they need to erase them, then start a new service selling ROMs. The story needs to be told to potential customers and we need this coming from someone who already has repsect and credibility. And better yet, someone who already has a relationship with most of the vendors.
Let people decide for themselves if they want to support him, but with all the facts.
Crazy Cooter:
--- Quote from: KevSteele on June 24, 2005, 10:31:29 am ---I certainly don't think I'm promoting the person behind the product when I review a product. If the product's good, my review may be promotion for their company, but I'm not in the "personality assesment" business, except when it comes to customer support.
Hypothetical Situation: A person is a real jerk in person, berating and demeaning everyone he talks to. But he makes a fantastic product that's fairly priced and he provides fantastic support to the buyers of his product. Do I not review it because he's an a**hole?
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Promoting (via review) a persons product supports that person in the industry. And yes, if the guy is an a**hole that calls people up after selling them something and tells them to remove it because he never had a right to sell it in the first place... oh wait, that's not fantastic customer support now is it?
There's no reason to speak in hypothetical terms because this isn't a hypothetical situation. This is the real deal. This is a guy that has demanded money from people for things that weren't his, he's had auctions pulled on ebay over things he "claims" right too (that aren't his), and he sold Namco games when he had no right to do so. Is this a guy that you want to help stay in this hobby? When you review his products, you add legitimacy to his existence here. Why do you want to do that? Why would you want to steer people towards this guy? Did this guy all of a sudden "go straight"? No. He has a continued track record of doing anything to make a buck (reference Namco incident).
I just don't understand why anyone would want to steer a newbie in his direction. What people want to know is whether or not they might get screwed. As far as Foley... ask someone that "bought" Namco games from him and then had to remove them from their machine.
I've spoke directly with Namco regarding Foley, I've spoke directly with some printers regarding Foley and I've spoke directly with some of the cabinet kit guys regarding Foley. They are good people with a true interest in where this hobby is going. Foley is trying to drive them out. For every dollar you encourage to be spent on Foley's stuff, part of that goes to push the other guys out. Where does everyone think the money for drafting the C&D letters came from? Where did the money for the R&D of his latest project come from? It came from the people that bought an Ultracade system and had to delete the Namco games on it. By reviewing Ultracade products, you are encouraging the business practices of the company and the people behind it.
Buy Walmart and they will continue to do what they do. Buy Ultracade and they will continue doing what they are. Since reviews are essentially commercial advertisements (that's why the stuff is mostly given for free), just stop being a commercial for a company (Ultracade) that is trying everything it can to run the people that actually care about the hobby out of it.
KevSteele:
--- Quote from: monkeybomb on June 24, 2005, 01:12:55 pm ---What the community could use is a factual account of what really happened with foley.
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