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MAMEDev's pull auctions without MAME
VMJ Team:
Alot of maybe's! I guess I'm clouding my point trying to relate it to similiar issues.
I would actually like to throw this out there:
Can anyone PROVE that MAME is legal technology that does not or will not violate any copyrights...or can anyone PROVE that MAME does violate any copyrights?
I was told that it does, but I would be interested in seeing some solid facts.
Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: CyberPunk on June 08, 2005, 12:27:02 pm ---Can anyone PROVE that MAME is legal technology that does not or will not violate any copyrights...or can anyone PROVE that MAME does violate any copyrights?
--- End quote ---
The only way to PROVE that something does not violate a copyright is for the copyright owner to challenge the item in court and lose. And I don't think that prevents the copyright holder from appealing the decision or filing a charge on slightly modified grounds.
Even if MAME does NOT violate the copyright, if the copyright owners had the funds to, they could likely shut the project down just b/c the cost of proving it doesn't violate the copyright would be too great.
AlanS17:
Who in their right mind who want to fight the MAMEdevs, anyways? Say you win... You still lose.
What incentive do they have to continue work on MAME if they get no recognition for it? Or even worse, how are they left with the right to work on it if someone takes the TM?
It's already been established that the MAMEdevs aren't making money. They've got no reason to continue work on this stuff if it becomes a hassle. Heck, if they've had to hire legal counsel that means they're probably losing money just to work on MAME.
Now I would imagine that if my business depended on MAME (and we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought people were building arcade machines primarily for console emulation), I'd do everything to keep them happy. Heck, I'd hand deliver some Shiner Bock to their doorstep if that would make them happy and helpful. I certainly wouln't make waves.
... but that's just me.
VMJ Team:
Granted, there is a percentage of people buying our arcade cabinet kits most likely put mame in it...but I would rather go bankrupt than to be pushed around and told what I can and can't do (ebay) when I have not violated any laws.
I also never said I WANT to fight mamedev, they attacked me first through ebay. If people can't tell already, I'm not the type of person to run and hide when I get pushed....no, quite the opposite, I'm in your face right then and there.
...no different with my business. I refuse to walk on eggshells for anyone.
I don't want to ruin anything for anyone! So I have no desire to initiate a fight. Nor do I have it in me to kiss anyone's...butt.
Who exactly do you think is creating waves here? Keep in mind, I was minding my own business when I received an email stating my ebay account was suspended because of these yahoos.
paigeoliver:
I never bought the "documentation" story either. It is a complete retcon. At the beginning Mame was just like every other emulator, it was for playing games, and no one (including the Nicola) was saying anything different.
Then all of a sudden it was magically a "documentation" project. Sure, like we believe that one. Sure your honor, for the first 2 years we were growing pot to smoke, but then it became a documentation project. Its very important that documentation include remappable controls, and the ability for the "documentation" to "document" the game at full speed. What isn't apparently important is any actual documentation other than how to get the rom data to run on emulated processors.
I personally throw my vote in for simply dissolving further Mame development altogether. The classic games have been emulated perfectly for years. All that ever gets added anymore is late model stuff (and the occassional bootleg 1984 piece of garbage). We are anti-piracy, and THATS exactly why we are working so hard to emulate games that came out 4 or 5 years ago and are STILL on location.
The best thing that could happen to Mame right now was if the project simply shut the BLEEP down.
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