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Haze:

--- Quote from: Chris on June 02, 2005, 05:49:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: Haze on June 02, 2005, 05:36:16 pm ---You talk about a large community, unfortunately a significant part of the community does not seem to have our best interests at heart.  If more effort was put in to shutting down those abusing the MAME name things may not have come to this.  I only have to look at the adverts on this forum and I see 'MAME ROM DVDs' for sale.  We spent a great deal of time and effort filtering these out over at mame.net but it seems the majority don't care to do so and such businesses, and adverts do pose a threat to ourselves and the integrity of the MAME name and project.

At the end of the day a bit of bad comes with every bit of good.  All the developers are human, and have lives to live, and we don't want to have to live in fear of legal action being taken because a community has turned MAME into seemingly nothing more (in the eyes of those higher up) than a large profit making market based around selling illegal products.  At that point the risk of working on MAME becomes too high.  Unfortunately many of the arcade cabinets being sold, or for which 'MAME' parts are being sold end up being used for commercial purposes, this is likewise a problem.

With that in mind we simply need to establish MAME for what it is, allowing the name to only be used for things which really are MAME (ie the actual emulator)

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So you're saying that because a keyboard encoder could be purchased and put into an illegal commercial cabinet, that makes it illegal to sell on eBay with MAME in the subject line?

I agree with much of what you guys are doing with the trademark, Haze, but I really think going after parts auctions just because they COULD be used illegally is an abuse of the VeRO program.  Going after ROM sets is one thing, but a keyboard encoder is pretty innocuous.

--Chris

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As I said, I didn't write the list of conditions, and one of the reasons I didn't feel like remaining in charge of the project was the ever increasing mess of people abusing MAME and the problems which trying to control it would incur (such as this) as I just want to write code.  If you really feel strongly over it then I suggest you discuss it with Aaron, but chances are he'll take a firm stance on it and I don't really blame him.

End of the day, if you don't use the MAME name to sell keyboard encoders, then you haven't got a problem, and nor have we.  If you're concerned that not being able to use the MAME name is going to eat into profits then please consider what MAME is about.

Anyway, I'm not going to post any more on this issue, its pretty clear cut.

SirPoonga:

--- Quote from: Haze on June 02, 2005, 06:14:50 pm ---End of the day, if you don't use the MAME name to sell keyboard encoders, then you haven't got a problem, and nor have we.  If you're concerned that not being able to use the MAME name is going to eat into profits then please consider what MAME is about.

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And you can always ask for permission....

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: SirPoonga on June 02, 2005, 06:16:38 pm ---And you can always ask for permission....

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BOOM ... I wonder how many people who had auctions yanked actually took the time to ask ... the need to ask has been known since Ultracade dropped their TM application.

Did anybody using the term MAME in any of the killed auctions ask ?

[NOTE: This is an honest question, not a smart@$$ rhetorical]

Cheers.

Chris:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on June 02, 2005, 06:26:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: SirPoonga on June 02, 2005, 06:16:38 pm ---And you can always ask for permission....

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BOOM ... I wonder how many people who had auctions yanked actually took the time to ask ... the need to ask has been known since Ultracade dropped their TM application.

Did anybody using the term MAME in any of the killed auctions ask ?

[NOTE: This is an honest question, not a smart@$$ rhetorical]

Cheers.

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Does a floormat guy have to ask Ford before he makes or advertises a Ford-compatible floormat?

Dire Radiant:
I don't see a problem with it. It will certainly get rid of all those annoying ads that really have nothing to do with MAME but just shove the name in the auction title so they get returned on searches. eg "Atari Roadblasters cabinet including control panel MAME"  I would have no problem however with a note somewhere in the auction like "Would make a great conversion project for MAME"

I don't see my cabinet as a "MAME" cabinet. It's essentially a peripheral for playing arcade games no matter what the source. If I were to sell a "Flightsim Joystick" that would be one thing. If I were to sell it as an "IL2 Sturmovik joystick" then I feel that would give the impression that it was SPECIFICALLY designed to play IL2 Sturmovik. The only reason for me to put that in an auction title would be to show up on searches for the game. That, as Haze pointed out (and it's rare I agree with his views) is spam. It's no different than the people who sell cheap nasty stereos and put in the search title "Sanyo Stereo - Not Bose, Technics, Pioneer etc"

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