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49 way questions...
Hoagie_one:
i prefer screw downs...much simpler. The eco version is cheaper because you ahve to do more work than the other versions
markrvp:
Here is a link where you can see the GP-Wiz 49 wired up in my new control panel:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,35938.msg320479.html#msg320479
The floppy cable is cut off at one end. Those wires are stripped and then inserted in the screw-down terminals on the GP-WIZ 49.
As Hoagie said, one GP-Wiz 49 is needed for each 49-way stick. However, in the control panel pictured in the link above, there is one 49-way and the second joystick is a Wico 8-Way leafswitch. Both are connected to ONE GP-WIZ 49.
The GP-Wiz 49 allows you to connect 23 additional inputs. These can be either buttons or joystick switches.
In my panel there is no additional keyboard encoder needed. Let's look at pricing. For a two-player panel with two 49-way sticks you would need:
2 49-way joysticks = $50.00 through May 31st.
2 GP-Wiz 49s = $70.00
TOTAL PRICE = $125.00
This would give you a panel good to go with 2 joysticks that can be used for almost any game without having to change restrictors in a joystick (only a couple of mouse clicks or button pushes).
If you decided to go the two T-Stick Plus route for your panel it would cost:
2 T-Stick Plus = $48.00
GGG KeyWhiz or I-pac2 = $35-$39
TOTAL PRICE = $87 or less
This would give you 2 joysticks that could be used 4 or 8 way and 20 additional inputs for buttons (8 are used by the two joysticks).
(BEFORE ANYONE POUNCES AND SAYS YOU CAN GET THE ENCODERS FOR $20 - I KNOW. 80s CHILD SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO SOLDER, SO I HAVE LISTED THE SCREW-DOWN TERMINAL OPTIONS)
Now, the difference in feel of the 49-way joystick and the T-Stick Plus is as different as night and day. The T-Stick is a VERY STIFF short throw and the 49-way is a light longer throw. You do not have to move the 49-way all the way to the end of its throw to activate it though, so you can move it as little as you want to make your sprite move.
I personally own both sticks. My preference is the 49-way. I could never get used to the T-Stick Plus, but that is just me. Many people love them. One thing to consider is that if you like games such as Ikari Warriors there is a new kit available to add the mechanical rotary functionality to a 49-way. I plan to get one for my new control panel.
This probably doesn't clear anything up for you, but I think the bottom line is what feel do you like in a joystick, because your two options are VERY DIFFERENT.
80sChild:
Wow! Thanks for the great responses...you guys have filled in some blanks for me.
That picture is great mark...very helpful. I think I can easily crimp...it's just the PITA of having to go to radio shack to buy the wire and the QD's, and then actually do some crimping.
I think I'm going screw down...screw it...hehe
Hoagie,
Thanks for the help...I saw in another thread you used Tstik pluses...have they grown on you? I sometimes feel that the tstik plus gets some bad comments from people on the board who have a very specific taste for what their joystick should feel like...
Mark,
I really don't have a preference for a joystick since this is my first arcade build... I looked at the "throw" on the Tstik (retroblast review) and it does seem very tight or short. I wish they'd do a review on the 49 way..
The games I used to play not that long ago because after all I am an 80's child all had restrictor plates...which I felt was part of the arcade experience. I'm trying to avoid having my cab feel like an xbox/psone controller... so that might be a point for the tstik plus. Does the 49 way compare to the old psone analog joysticks?
I'm thinking of making a primarily horizontal cocktail table, and want to start with a fighter panel, and maybe stick a 2.25'' trackball in between p1 and 2. In the future I might expand to 3 and 4 players...
Since you have both which sticks do you prefer in 8/4 way mode since that is primarily what I will use the sticks in? I know its subjective but opinions are always helpful nonetheless...
The tough part about joysticks is that everyone has their own preference...
You guys have been such a great help...you have no idea! Thanks again!
markrvp:
I don't like the T-Stick Plus at all. I even tried changing the switches out, and I still couldn't get used to it. On the 49-way, if you use 3/4" wood or MDF for the CP top, make the hole for the shaft 1-1/4". That will "in-effect" give you some mechanical restriction on the throw, but it will not affect the gameplay. If it were me, I'd go 49-way, but there are just as many people that would tell you to go with the T-Stick Plus.
I played a lot of Pacman, Donkey Kong, and other classics of the 80s too, and I don't remember any of those games feeling like the T-Stik Plus.
I never used the PS One controllers, so I can't compare.
Hoagie_one:
im using teh t-sticks because thats what I have. My next cab will have two 49-ways.
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