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Flinkly:
i'm not saying it's unreasonable or that randy wont do it, it's just that he already sold the product, without the intent of having software do the switching.  period.  from a buisness standpoint, for a company to spend time and money to give past customers something more for free isn't intelligent.  but since randy is so nice to us, and has done so much already, i'm sure he's willing to look into it.

but why?  the gamex fe already suports parallel port switching, so why should randy create redundant code for the people who already have the itnerfaces?  you could make a program yourself if you really wanted to have the switching feature.

anyway, after all that is said, i'm not gonna argue about it anymore.  it's all up to randy anyways.

LONG LIVE THE GP-WIZ49 WITH DRS TECHNOLOGY (TM)

Toonces:

--- Quote from: Flinkly on April 12, 2005, 02:37:54 pm ---oh, i thought you wanted this implemented so people from other operating systems could use the parallel port.  quite frankly, if you've got any version of the new or old board, you should still be able to use the program you created for parallel port operation, so you shouldn't need randy to make one too.  and if your doing this for people who already bought one and can't swap chips, then they can use your program too.

so with all this in mind, i fail to see why randy has to implement any sort of parallel port stuff.  please point out any errors in my thoguht process, becaus 'm no genious, so i might be missing something.

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I created the batch files as a means to accomplish something that at the time, Randy had no intentions of doing. Look through this gigantic thread. How many times was it asked about mode switching via USB or under computer control? What were Randy's answers? To paraphrase "Someone else can figure out how to make it switch automatically"

Now, he is adding support for such. A major selling point. Automatically reconfiguring controls! Those that bought the solder versions early are just SOL? Not completely. You can use the hack I threw together to accomplish it. But Randy has the opportunity to support all versions of his product using the same app he is already writing. It unifiy's support for the FE programmers too. They don't have to do anything different. They call the same app and can integrate it much tighter than if they have to let the user be able to change it to a different app in order to support the older Eco versions.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on April 12, 2005, 02:32:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Toonces on April 12, 2005, 01:54:19 pm ---Again, it's not for people who buy now, it's for people who've already purchased the VE versions that can't do a chip swap. It's the next best option for them and doesn't affect those that haven't bought one yet.

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I forgot that the chip swap option was not an option on the Eco boards.

Actually, though, it's only for the people that bought the solder version, as there's a money-back guarantee on Page 2 of this thread for the other boards.

Randy has said he'll look into Parallel Port support, but if he doesn't, they can use the software you already developed, or I guess he will probably have some kind of "trade-up" offer on the new boards for previous customers.

<Let me go hide before I get flamed by Randy . . .>

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Hehe.  No flaming, but let's not get confused with the guarantee.  That was a performance guarantee.

As I said, I will try to deal with this as humanely as possible.  I'm just an (incorporated) guy, not a deep pocketed mega corporation.  I've put a lot more work into this project, that should really be cause for a price hike, and I'm still not done.  If I had to pay someone to write software for me, this would have been a sizable investment.

But hopefully at the end, it will be all things to all people and I can move onto the next project.....and no, I won't be raising the price :) .

RandyT


BTW, As long as the PPort libraries aren't too crazy, I should be able to throw "unsupported" support in for them.  Someone else will have to do the testing though ;).


Toonces:

--- Quote from: Flinkly on April 12, 2005, 02:54:09 pm ---i'm not saying it's unreasonable or that randy wont do it, it's just that he already sold the product, without the intent of having software do the switching.  period.  from a buisness standpoint, for a company to spend time and money to give past customers something more for free isn't intelligent.  but since randy is so nice to us, and has done so much already, i'm sure he's willing to look into it.

but why?  the gamex fe already suports parallel port switching, so why should randy create redundant code for the people who already have the itnerfaces?  you could make a program yourself if you really wanted to have the switching feature.

anyway, after all that is said, i'm not gonna argue about it anymore.  it's all up to randy anyways.

LONG LIVE THE GP-WIZ49 WITH DRS TECHNOLOGY (TM)

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Man, how wrong is that? "Screw the past customers. We already got their money!"

It may not be true for you, but since I've built my machine, I have built or assisted 4 of my friends with theirs. Who do you think they ask what controls, etc to buy? Where do you think I send them? Up until the GP-Wiz49 it was ultimarc where they spent on average of $150 for video cards and interfaces. Now I have new controls. 1 has already used them and wants to do the same thing. Where do you think I send them? For a business not to spend their time making sure all of their customers happy isn't intelligent. To add a feature that costs only more time with an application you are already in the process of developing isn't asking a whole heck of a lot. That's how 16 way mode got into the product.

As far as Randy is concerned, I am not worried about it. He said he would look into it and possibly include it in a later version. Good enough.

Why would I want his app vs the batch files I threw together? Simple. I want the features that it offers. A nice gui and the same type of support that new purchasers get.

GameEx supports the batch files to accomplish the mode change via a run before and run after command that the user can enter for each rom. If the same app can be used in all cases, that support could be integrated into GameEx and other FE's on a tighter basis. It becomes a feature that a user can turn on rather than configure and change themselves.

Toonces:

--- Quote from: RandyT on April 12, 2005, 03:06:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on April 12, 2005, 02:32:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Toonces on April 12, 2005, 01:54:19 pm ---Again, it's not for people who buy now, it's for people who've already purchased the VE versions that can't do a chip swap. It's the next best option for them and doesn't affect those that haven't bought one yet.

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I forgot that the chip swap option was not an option on the Eco boards.

Actually, though, it's only for the people that bought the solder version, as there's a money-back guarantee on Page 2 of this thread for the other boards.

Randy has said he'll look into Parallel Port support, but if he doesn't, they can use the software you already developed, or I guess he will probably have some kind of "trade-up" offer on the new boards for previous customers.

<Let me go hide before I get flamed by Randy . . .>

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Hehe.  No flaming, but let's not get confused with the guarantee.  That was a performance guarantee.

As I said, I will try to deal with this as humanely as possible.  I'm just an (incorporated) guy, not a deep pocketed mega corporation.  I've put a lot more work into this project, that should really be cause for a price hike, and I'm still not done.  If I had to pay someone to write software for me, this would have been a sizable investment.

But hopefully at the end, it will be all things to all people and I can move onto the next project.....and no, I won't be raising the price :) .

RandyT


BTW, As long as the PPort libraries aren't too crazy, I should be able to throw "unsupported" support in for them.  Someone else will have to do the testing though ;).




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Thanks Rany, I have no doubt that you will give it a shot and I appreciate it immensly. Support from a Company (or incorporated guy) is very important to me when I decide to return and buy more product.

Toonces

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