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Discussion: Ultracade and the Mame Trademark
SirPoonga:
--- Quote from: Crazy Cooter on March 07, 2005, 01:01:52 pm ---What I don't understand is this:
- MAME supports the EXACT arcade game.
- Foley's ROM's won't work with MAME.
- Foley can't be using the EXACT game then.
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Crazy Cooter:
But then it's not the same ROM...
I don't see how encrypting the "old" makes the original "old" illegal. Foley keeps saying that the original ROM's are illegal, but it's never been to court. He has zero authority over the old ROM's. That's my point about who is his target market. The way I see it, is there are two groups:
1- People who want the EXACT game they used to play.
2- People who want to play something close.
For group #1, Foley will never sell anything. He ticked them all off already and they already have an emu and the ROM's. Unless Foley goes to their house and destroys their computer and any CD's they have, he has no market here. Besides, "his laws" don't apply in other countries. Any purchases in the US from this group will be through starroms. Whatever starroms doesn't carry will be obtained over the internet.
For group #2, a trip to bestbuy or anyplace software is sold will show waaaay better prices. I've seen cd's of old titles for $5 that had 100+ games on it. His prices can't compete with that.
Who is left?
What Foley is trying to do is this:
He will sell the ROM's under the pretense that he owns the rights to do so (just like he did with Namcos stuff in his Ultracade). If he is challenged by a TRUE owner of the game rights, he will take the ROM down or offer some deal (like he is doing with the MAME dev's). Meanwhile he profits on work that has no owner because he says he owns them. He has no more right than any of us to sell 90+% of the games MAME supports.
Somebody just needs to get this a-wipe in court. He has no legal standing on what he is doing. He won't need to prove ownership until challenged, so I say let's challenge him. If he took down your auctions or whatever, sue him. Other than pissing me off, he hasn't "done" anything to me other than limit my choices for stuff to buy on ebay etc. I don't have much legal standing to sue him, but some of you other guys do. So if you can, please do.
His past actions speak volumes for what this guy thinks he can do. It's up to all of us to run him out of business. Don't buy anything relating to him and send gripe letters to the distributors carrying his products. Police his stuff like he does Ebay. I've already notified Namco about several distributors of his Ultracade machines advertising Namco games (which Namco already had their lawyers "discuss" with Foley once before). I've stood next to an Arcade Legends in a store and spoke with the customers there and the management and the machine is no longer for sale at that location. If you see an opportunity, take it. If you don't, it's obvious where this is heading. It's easy to talk, but talking won't stop him from polluting this hobby.
So everyone spend 10 minutes a day to contact people/police his sales/whatever.
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GGKoul:
What DF is trying to trademark is only a word and a logo.
Crazy Cooter:
But foley wants to shut it all down. He doesn't care whether he actually owns the rights or not. He doesn't have any rights to the MAME name/software/ or art but look at how many auctions he has cancelled because he SAYS he does. It's going to be the same thing with ROM's. He'll be getting in touch with each ISP and tell them he owns the rights. Then whatever site it is will be taken down. Just like the auctions currently are on ebay.
Meanwhile, he'll try and sell them all. Just ask Namco.
GGKoul:
--- Quote from: Crazy Cooter on March 08, 2005, 07:42:16 pm ---But foley wants to shut it all down.
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