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Discussion: Ultracade and the Mame Trademark
SirPoonga:
<<and not to attempt to decompile or modify the operating system>>
You don;t need to decompile the OS to figure out what's on the drive. You just need to be able to read the file system.
Crazy Cooter:
Nothing wrong with innocent investigations.
Patent Doc:
--- Quote --- Here's a good read:
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/
ROMs are legal - if you own the original equipment. I point you to this paragraph:
"(3) Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace."
There are grey areas, to be sure, however it can certainly be argued that they are obsolete (sigh!)
And my two cents about iROMS - not me, not now, not ever.
Star ROMs - You bet!
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No offense Havok, but did you actually read what this was in reference to? People keep on quoting this as some admission by the US copyright office that things like MAME roms would be leagal since the games they were originally sold on are "obsolete." However, this provision provides an exception to anit circumvention legislation so individuals who purchased the software and thus have a lisence to use, can circumvent whatever they need in order to continue to use the software. For example, the program had to be run on one of those old 12" hard disks shaped like a donut from the 1970s. Well, the US copyright Office has determined that it is not right to make an individual purchase the program again because a)the company making the software no longer supports that format or b)the drives no longer are being manufactured and the buyers drive broke. The buyer of the software can now make or have made a replacement to use on current equipment. Note that to do this, you must still own a legal copy of the software (roms, or whatever). The only thing this possibly provides support for is those people who purchased a PCB and want to use it using current technology. However, even this last scenario is in a grey area since the courts haven't ruled on it.
APFelon:
Well, since Arcade Legends is an arcade game, and MAME wants to document (emulate) all arcade hardware, and there is speculation that Ultracade may use MAME code...
Can MAME emulate itself?
APf
SirPoonga:
--- Quote from: Patent Doc on March 04, 2005, 01:13:09 am ---
--- Quote --- Here's a good read:
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/
ROMs are legal - if you own the original equipment. I point you to this paragraph:
"(3) Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace."
There are grey areas, to be sure, however it can certainly be argued that they are obsolete (sigh!)
And my two cents about iROMS - not me, not now, not ever.
Star ROMs - You bet!
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