Main > Everything Else

Discussion: Ultracade and the Mame Trademark

<< < (81/154) > >>

SirPoonga:
You are just trying to stir the pot.


--- Quote from: lloydcom on February 27, 2005, 06:42:21 pm ---Mr. Foley is Trademarking MAME as a prospective commercial product.  MAME is open source, but we have individuals selling MAME related products which promote the use of roms that are not legal to use with the emulator.
--- End quote ---
Read the Bleem case.  There's nothing wrong with emulation.  Sony tried to do the whole "promotes piracy" thing.  So, are you going to CD player manufacturers and telling them to stop making CD players because it promotes people to make copies of CDs?
There are legal uses for mame.  Mame is not illegal.  And Mr. Foley should not be able to trademark name since he didn't create the name or logo.


--- Quote ---We have keyboard encoders that works with MAME and other emulators, Light guns, top rotated joysticks interfaces for Ikari Warriors, top/down spinners for Discs of Tron.  The list goes on.  I haven't even touched on the cabs and the artwork.

Why are we building arcade controls for games we are not allowed to play, anyway?  Are you telling me these sites do not make any money on these products?  MAME is not making money, heck, it needs donations to get the boards!

--- End quote ---
We are building arcade controls to play PC games as if they were arcade games.  See the sticky note in the software forum.
Also we are building controls to play realy games.   I'm building a cocktail cabinet to play a 1942 board I am getting my hands on.
Also there are legal roms out there, see starroms.com.


--- Quote ---So whats the quickest option to stop the madness in Mr. Foley's mind?  Trademark MAME.  Who cares if he is treadding on toes?

--- End quote ---
The people's toes he is treading on cares.  They way he is going about it is not right.  He's closing eBay auctions down that are completely legal using the excuse he trademarked MAME, which is not the case yet.  He doesn't own mame as a trademark yet so having auctions close with the reason that they are infringing upon the trademark is fraud.


--- Quote ---Mr. Foley is Trademarking MAME as a prospective commercial product.
If his application is successful, Mr. Foley will want the MAME dev team to continue as normal. 
--- End quote ---
With comments like that I'd believe you are Foley or affiliated with him.  how would you know what he is thinking?
Until Foley trademarks mame, which shouldn't happen since it isn't his,  we don't need to worry about anything.  What people are getting upset about is the way he is doing it.  It isn't right and borderlines or possibly may be illegal.  Read the replies to this thread and you will see that.

No one is disputing the fact that business people don't like competition and try and find ways to one up on competition.  There's nothing wrong with that.  What is wrong is the way Foley is going about doing it.

APFelon:
Unbelievable. You obviously have no clue as to what goes on here on this forum, within the MAME development team, or the all encompassing "emulation scene".



--- Quote from: lloydcom on February 27, 2005, 06:42:21 pm ---Did you read my previous post?  Are you being negative on purpose?

--- End quote ---
Let's recap.


--- Quote ---Mr. Foley is Trademarking MAME as a prospective commercial product.  MAME is open source, but we have individuals selling MAME related products which promote the use of roms that are not legal to use with the emulator.
--- End quote ---

And selling cars promotes speeding, selling beer promotes drunkeness and alcoholism, and selling blank CDs promotes piracy. Your arguments are played, tired, and backwards... and frankly boring.


--- Quote ---We have keyboard encoders that works with MAME and other emulators, Light guns, top rotated joysticks interfaces for Ikari Warriors, top/down spinners for Discs of Tron.  The list goes on.  I haven't even touched on the cabs and the artwork. 
--- End quote ---

...many of which are used in ACTUAL ARCADE CABINETS with a factory PCB. Repro art for that worn-out Tron, stencils for that beat up Ms. Pac Man, rotating joysticks to replace those cheap POSes that came from the factory... And custom artwork is just that. Did you know that a lot of people play their consoles in their cabs? Did you know that people play storebought and shareware PC games on their cabs? Probably not, as you think that the entire market force behind arcade equipment is strictly geared towards pirating software.


--- Quote ---Why are we building arcade controls for games we are not allowed to play, anyway?  Are you telling me these sites do not make any money on these products?  MAME is not making money, heck, it needs donations to get the boards!
--- End quote ---

You are free to opt out whenever you wish.


--- Quote --- If this doesn't promote a competitive product with Ultracade, I don't know what does.  The MAME devs have the boards, and the legal use to develop MAME as a platform to keep these games alive, regardless if the day comes when these ROMS becomes public domain.
--- End quote ---

I read this three times and I am not clear as to what point you are trying to make. Same goes for the paragraph next up. What are you arguing? MAME doesn't make money?


--- Quote ---So whats the quickest option to stop the madness in Mr. Foley's mind?  Trademark MAME.  Who cares if he is treadding on toes?
--- End quote ---

We care. If this hasn't become blindingly clear by now, you need a checkup from the neck up.


--- Quote ---If his application is successful, Mr. Foley will want the MAME dev team to continue as normal, but they won't be allowed to release binaries.  And let's face it, what is there left to support?  Should we look at emulating 2004 arcade games next?
--- End quote ---

You keep saying "WE". As my once Social Studies teacher used to be fond of saying, "WHO is WE?" Who are you speaking for? I would bet some serious money that you are not a MAME dev nor have you been on this forum long enough to be considered a "we".  And what basis do you mount that "foley will want MAME to continue" yet "they can't release binaries" theory? How so? How could he possibly stop a multinational development team from releasing binaries? On what law is this theory based? How will he enforce US law in Italy, for example? Can you offer something with at least one foot in reality?


--- Quote ---Most of the Japanese copied roms are already breaking Japanese law.

None of these comments are in dispute guys.

==================

Disclaimer:

My comments are my own, and I am not supporting Ultracade in anyway.  If you do not agree with my comments, fine.  But please refrain from name calling, especially towards Mr. Foley.  I won't sue you for slander, but he can, and we don't want that.

--- End quote ---

We lost some fine members last week due to trolling. Your comments, especially that rediculous disclaimer, goes far and beyond  anything that they wrote. I should hope that your stay on this forum is a brief one.

APf

lloydcom:
I'm glad you have raised those points, and answered them, and yes I do see your logic regarding the home use of MAME.

SirPoonga:

--- Quote from: lloydcom on February 27, 2005, 07:30:06 pm ---I don't really care if Mr. Foley grabs MAME's copyright or not.  He touched a nerve that shouldn't have happend, and I'm not endorsing his actions, but you have to understand his motives regardless.

--- End quote ---

We do understand his motives.  Like any business man, he is out to make money.  No business man like competition (but realizes it is needed).  If there is going to be competition it should be legal competition.  Foley believe that selling a cabinet on mame stating that it could run mame and 1000s of games is not legal competition.  However it is.  The cabinets are not being sold with games.  Like a CD player that can play legal and non legal  audio CDs,  an arcade cabinet with a PC in it can play legal and non legal games/roms in it.

The approach Foley went at trying to get rid of the competition is not a right and possible illegal approach.   He is rying to create a way to make the empty cabinets on ebay illegal by trademarking mame.  Since there isn't anything illegal about those cabinets he is trying to create something to make them illegal.


Yes, basically now it's just a matter of waiting to see what happens.  The mamedevs are dealing with the trademark issues, the companies Foley affected on ebay are taking their actions.

While we wait we can bicker about it :)

RayB:
Uhhh, Mr Lloyd? Those keyboard encoders and other parts you mentioned aren't "made to work with MAME", they work with any software that will accept keyboard input and could be used as the interface for ANY game. Got it?

And as for your way earlier comment that it takes balls to do what Foley did, ... yeah well, it can be said it takes balls to step in front of a moving bus. But there is another word that can be used to describe that same act. Think about it.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page

Go to full version