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Curious about Japanese controls
Gradius:
I'd like to know this: the ball-top sticks mounted in Naomi cabinets are Sanwa sticks? Are these the famous top-notch-performance Japanese sticks? I like the soft touch of the microswitches in these, but the throw keeps on being too long for me? Are the Seimitsu sticks better in this sense (shorter throw)?
I've heard some stories about Japanese sticks and their ultraprecission, but any of these brands or models can compare to the throw of my Ultimarc's Tstick? I love this one, and although its throw is very short and the stick feels good and precise, it's not like a surgical ultraprecisse and sensitive piece of machinery. It rather feels like strong and sturdy, a stick to play great and to last long. What I don't like is that after some years of use, the central position of the stick is not absolutely firm, as if the spring was not stiff enough to keep the stick perfectly on the centre. It doesn't affect the usability of the stick, but...
For my next CP, I may go again with Tstiks, but if I could find Japanese sticks that feel more precise, I'd choose them. I don't mind if they are weaker since I don't usually abuse of my controls. I would need a stick with round movement (no corners), very little throw, soft spring and switches, and quick return to centre. The problem is, where can I test any of these sticks, if not at the arcades? I'm from Spain so...
With pushbuttons, I have a similar feeling. I have tested the traditional microswitched buttons (which I have in my CPs) and they feel great, authentic. However, Japanese stick seem to be better in terms of performance: quicker to activate, silent, etc. I have them in my Namco Arcade sticks and I think they're the same as those in Naomi cabinets. I've heard they don't last long as they are much weaker than microswitched buttons, but I've been using my Namco stick for years and not problems yet.
paigeoliver:
I think the japanese sticks mounted in my Super Neo 29 are the cheapest looking and feeling sticks I have ever used. More like a toy than a proper joystick.
But the japanese sticks I have ordered from groovygamegear.com were quite heavy duty.
DYNAGOD:
i have to second that...
having just refit my cab with Seimitsu LV(S?)-30's and a full compliment of sanwa buttons, i have to say they reek of inferior quality and craftsmanship..
very poorly made, very sloppy feel and very unresposnsive..
i would not recomend them..
HOWEVER....what feels like garbage to me may be a dream come true for you.
go to himura amusement. do a google search youll find em..
place an order on the forums.. its very unorthodox as there is no formal "store" on the website, and it may not happen overnight, but you will find those obscure japanese parts you need..
i got my parts thru them.
Gradius:
OK, I'll take your advice and I'll be aware before ordering japanese sticks. Thanx. What I'm also curious about is, if these sticks are not precisse, how on earth are Japanese players the best with shmups and are able to get such incredible scores?
CthulhuLuke:
DYNAGOD ordered the Seimitsu's which I've played on and they're not that bad, but sanwa joysticks really are top quality. Some people have problems with sanwa buttons because they don't have a big spring like the happs buttons, they use the spring in the microswitch *I think?* to recoil your button presses. It takes a little bit to get used to them as they are INCREDIBLY light to the press, and that's partially why the shmups guys love them. The light spring and quick response time allows you to press the button 500 times without feeling like your fingers are going to die. I have heard that the Jstiks (is that what you meant, or do you have the t-stiks?) are sanwas with octagonal bases, but if you compare the pictures they really don't look the same. Jstiks have seperate microswiches you need to connect to, as where real sanwa joysticks have a joystick harness.
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