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isamu:
Hi guys :)

Just letting you know that I never got around to buying any model 3 PCB boards,  since I've been occupied with other things in the past couple of years.

However, my interest has been rekindled and I would like to pursue this project sometime between November and the end of the year. My main concern is trying to find out if I will be able to run the Daytona 2 and Super GT game boards from a USB PC  Force feedback wheel. I have discovered that there now appears to be Sega Model 3 to JAMMA conversion kits available. I am curious if anyone knows whether these kits...after being hooked up to a Super Gun.... will allow a standard PC FF steering wheel to work on the game.

Also regarding the video signal...I would like to know if these Model 3>JAMMA kits will convert the scan frequency of the video signal? Or will I need to obtain a seperate video scan converter? If so, will the iPAC do the trick?


Any advice, comments, etc are greatly appreciated. :)

Wade:
I can't help you with using a PC wheel and pedals.  They aren't directly compatible, but there may be some unit like you are talking about which could use a PC wheel.  I would think it would be much better, and definitely easier, to just use the real controls.  What is the purpose of using a PC wheel instead of the real deal?

The M3->Jamma converters won't do a scan rate conversion.  You will need either an EGA/25mhz monitor, or you will need a device to convert the 25khz signal to something you can use.  This is really the sticking point of the whole idea - the EGA output from the M3 boards.  I'm sure such converters are available though, because I have seen other EGA and VGA games played on large screen TV's in the arcade, and I doubt all those large screen TV's take EGA or VGA natively.

Wade

isamu:

--- Quote from: Wade on September 14, 2005, 09:07:09 am ---I can't help you with using a PC wheel and pedals.  They aren't directly compatible, but there may be some unit like you are talking about which could use a PC wheel.  I would think it would be much better, and definitely easier, to just use the real controls.  What is the purpose of using a PC wheel instead of the real deal?

The M3->Jamma converters won't do a scan rate conversion.  You will need either an EGA/25mhz monitor, or you will need a device to convert the 25khz signal to something you can use.  This is really the sticking point of the whole idea - the EGA output from the M3 boards.  I'm sure such converters are available though, because I have seen other EGA and VGA games played on large screen TV's in the arcade, and I doubt all those large screen TV's take EGA or VGA natively.

Wade

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Hello and thank you for the reply Wade :)

Regarding the PC wheel....after reading about Mark's Happ wheel to PS2 experiment, I am having second thoughts about using the PC wheel. Now...let me explain the reason that I originally had the PC wheel in mind.

There is a new PC Force Feedback steering wheel coming out called the *Speed 7 FF Wheel* from a company called "BRD"(Ball Racing Development). It is supposed to be the end all be all wheel of all wheels. The force feedback is supposed to be nothing short of superb.  I have been planning on buying this wheel for years, but BRD keeps delaying it. They now say it is coming out in November, but this is like the 10th time they've pushed the release back. It's getting frustrating waiting to say the least, and only encourages me to look for alternatives.

Now...after thinking about it, I realize that the Happ wheel could very well deliver the kind of "industrial" feel and force I am looking for(perhaps Mark can confirm this :) ), for a fraction of the price. Guess how much the BRD wheel is going to cost? Together with the pedals, I am looking at around $2000!!!!. Now, I wouldn't mind spending this much on a good quality FF wheel, but compared to the Happ wheel, which costs around $250 new, and the pedals around $100, we're talking about a HUUUGE savings!

Also, because it's a USB PC wheel, getting the Speed 7 wheel to work with Sega arcade M3 games seems like it's going to cost quite a bit more than getting a Happ wheel to work with it. After all, the Happ wheel *is* an arcade wheel, and practically the same arcade wheel used on the Midway/Atari and other cabs if I'm not mistaken.

As far as the video scan converter goes, I believe you're right...the M3>JAMMA converter does NOT convert the frequency. However, I found something that might do the trick. It's the *RGB to DVI Converter* from Scene Double. This will accept an EGA signal and convert it to DVI!!!!!!!!! I will look around for other alternatives but if you guys come up with anything else please let me know

Anyway it's still a couple months off so I will continue to look into my options and ask around. :)

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