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FractalWalk:
patrickl;
As far as a hobbiest just a making a cab, you may be right about "fair prices" but in the terms of an ongoing business, I think you are off the mark.
If you are spending more than 20 hours building a cab then you shouldn't be building that cab yourself. Assuming you have the plans ready and you've built one before (or you are using a kit) you don't tell me it takes more than that.
I completely disagree with this statement. I don't believe for a second that you can build a professional cab ready for sale from scratch in 20 hours. I would guess double that would be closer to the mark.
Add a bit for "R&D" say $500 and it all adds up to $3000 with a seriously healthy margin of $2000.
A 40% margin is not "seriously healthy", but it is in the ballpark of what one would expect in a somewhat mature competitive market.
Keep in mind a business has to account for risks that the customer does not bear, such as damaged inventory, bad debt, litigation costs, insurance etc. That's what the margin is there for. If you don't price it then you (instead of the customer) will ultimately pay for it.
I'll assume that your $500 R&D cost is one cab's portion of all allocated capital expense (tools, replacement equipment, repairs, opportunity cost of cash into the business etc.) But if you are wrong about labor and it truly is 40 hours then we are talking about a $4,500 "cost" and the story dramatically changes.
I don't know what the right answer is but there is some serious sensitivity (i.e. risk) in the numbers that I think you are ignoring.
patrickl:
If you think about it as a business then costs and manufacturing time will actually drop. I'm pretty sure if you do several cabs a month you can easily get it below 20 hours per cab. You will be doing the same thing over and over. You could also get the cab manufactured at a woodshop or you could hire kids for the simpler work (they might take longer but they cost less).
It's fun thinking about this. Makes me wanna set up my own cab plant ;) Unfortunately (I fear) people over here won't pay more than $2000 for a cab.
Anyway, there actually are plenty complete cabs sold in the $3000 to $4000 price range. Of course they don't offer illegal options, but apparently it can be done.
Tailgunner:
--- Quote from: patrickl on July 13, 2004, 04:06:26 am ---
I'm amazed you think $75 is a reasonable price for a days work of a carpenter. How would you feel if you were paid $75 a day? I'm afraid $75 is more like the hourly rate for a carpenter.
--- End quote ---
Carpenters build houses, cabinetmakers build cabinets. ;)
$75 an hour isn't out of line for a well equipped cabinet shop. Beyond the basics, (rent, utilities,ect.) most shops have a fortune tied up in equipment. You'd likely get a much better price per unit if your quote was for several cabinets, as this is where those big expensive tools they have really shine. But one cabinet means essentially custom work and they have to price accordingly.
hyiu:
Come on guys....
I have seen quite a few threads about this overcharging cab thingy....
If the guy building the cab (ugly or not) is using all legal parts....
no stolen arts.... and (at least state that) no roms included...
if they want to charge $3,345,789 for the cab.... why not ??...
maybe 1 day.... someone actually dumb enough to buy it ??...
you might think they shouldn't charge $2000 for labor...
but I have seen consultants in companies that charge $250 per hour
and they're playing online games !!!.... (and with overtime and they
sit there like 10 hr / day !!!)
well.... but if they're using stealing someone's artwork... design...
copyrighted stuffs... frontend... without properly acknowledging them... or profit sharing them....
and or if the seller is mis-informing the buyer with wrong / misleading facts... or hidden fees... then its a different story....
Postalp:
--- Quote from: Madman on July 14, 2004, 01:08:13 am ---He stole my name!!!!!! I built the same box for around 1800.00!!!
8K is NUTZ!!!!!!
--- End quote ---
I think alot of people use the name "Time Machine" for their cabbys...
Example.. http://williamsongraphics.com/mame/cab-pix/pic24.html
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