Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable

[buttersoft]

I would presume the arcade version of Outrun 2006 simply links two players, where Howard's amazing frontend doesn't have the LAN mode option yet, so you have to go through the menus? And in LAN the player positions might show up correctly on the arcade version, where the PC is pretty glitchy, and someone coming second can often be declared to win? So for a linked arcade cab, the Arcade version might be best. Also, aren't the graphics nicer and more colourful on the arcade version, even with the bloom mod enabled for PC? Or was that Outrun Online i'm thinking of?

EDIT: so, as a simple Autohotkey script for SR3 track swapping, i'm going to start with the following.

SR3 script.ahk

FileMoveDir, C:\games\Sega Rally 3\Rally\main_release\tracks orig, C:\games\Sega Rally 3\Rally\main_release\tracks, R

sleep 500

Run "C:\games\teknoparrot_1.41\SR3.bat

winwaitactive, Rally.exe

~x::
send, esc
process, close, rally.exe
process, close, racing.exe
process, close, racing
process, close, parrotloader.exe

sleep 2000

FileMoveDir, C:\games\Sega Rally 3\Rally\main_release\tracks, C:\games\Sega Rally 3\Rally\main_release\tracks orig, R

sleep 2000

exitapp

return

SR3.bat

@echo off

start C:\games\Teknoparrot_1.41\TeknoParrotUi.exe --profile=sr3.xml

I'd advise ignoring/removing my "process, close" commands unless you need them. I was having trouble getting joytokey to deliver the Esc key to exit teknoparrot, and then problems with AttractMode frontend not coming back up, and these commands help that.

This works without a folder named "tracks" in the main_release directory to begin with, and a folder named "tracks orig" instead which contains a full set of tracks, not just any altered ones. It then takes the folder named "tracks orig" and names it "tracks", then loads the game via the bat file and waits for the exit command (mine is the "x" key). On detecting the exit command it kills all processes to do with SR3, and swaps the folder names back again. To use in a frontend, all you would need to do is make a text file, change the extension to .ahk, copy in the above, changing details as needed, and select this file in the autohotkey compiler to make an exe. For different combinations of tracks, copy the ahk file, alter the directory it's renaming to "tracks" and back again, and compile another exe.

I have now tested the script, and as above it works fine. The sleep commands may not be required, i cannot confirm, but they don't hurt. Do *not* use quotation marks in or around any of the lines that rename folders.

This method means each folder of tracks, "tracks 2", "tracks 3" or whatever, needs a full set of tracks, not just the swapped ones. It also means your frontend will have as many entires for SR3 as you have track variations. I'm going to look into some sort of interface or message window that will allow a user command to select which trackset, but negative1's batch file idea might be best for that.

* By a full set of tracks i mean including stadium4, viewer1 etc folders. You do not need every single possible track, just a set to get the game working.

EDIT: Thus far all tracks i have subbed in work, apart from Alpine2, Alpine 3 and Arctic 3 (i think). I have tested most of the tracks, but not all of them.

[Boomslang]

Outrun 2 Lindbergh works fine 4 player over lan just so you know 

[buttersoft]

Outrun 2 Lindbergh works fine 4 player over lan just so you know 

Oops, i phrased that wrong. I was trying to highlight the fact that on the PC you have to go through the menus to get to LAN mode (i.e not ideal for a sitdown arcade-style cab) and that the LAN mode on the PC has that bug where the opposing car(s) can appear anywhere on your screen - ahead, behind, driving through the walls, etc - and the timing of what's going on is so weird that you can cross the line first on your own screen and on an opponent's screen and still finish behind them on the podium.

If the arcade version lacks these glitches that's a selling point from where i sit, pun intended I would imagine it works with 6-8 players, or is it only 4?

[Boomslang]

think max is 4

There is still graphical issues tho on Lindbergh version however which need to be solved sometime before I would say  Lindbergh version is superior to PC version

they are pretty damn similar really but like you said, PC version has LAN glitchy issues

[italospain]

 

Totally changing the subject; As a Windows 7 plebite I haven't been able to try out any of the Lindbergh stuff. Is there any advantage to playing Outrun 2 SP in TeknoParrot as opposed to just sticking with the PC version?

Not really no. The main advantage is the arcade version in TP is it won't randomly screw up your control and input assignments the way the PC version occasionally does. Also the arcade version has better torque FFB, but is missing the road surface and collision effects Howard created for the PC version. In my book, the PC version is still king. If the arcade version of SP had the original tracks from OR2 then it would have been a lot closer contest between the two.

The arcade version of SP has the original tracks from OR2 only in the Online Arcade Version for PS3 and Xbox360 the tracks are missing.

[MrThunderwing]

Outrun 2 Lindbergh works fine 4 player over lan just so you know 

Oops, i phrased that wrong. I was trying to highlight the fact that on the PC you have to go through the menus to get to LAN mode (i.e not ideal for a sitdown arcade-style cab) and that the LAN mode on the PC has that bug where the opposing car(s) can appear anywhere on your screen - ahead, behind, driving through the walls, etc - and the timing of what's going on is so weird that you can cross the line first on your own screen and on an opponent's screen and still finish behind them on the podium.

If the arcade version lacks these glitches that's a selling point from where i sit, pun intended I would imagine it works with 6-8 players, or is it only 4?

Ah, you're right there, I was forgetting how glitchy the PC LAN is. In 2 player LANs I've set-up back in the day, the game timers on the 2 PCs would frequently get out of sync and one player could run out of time before reaching a checkpoint and the other could still keep going. The other player's car would also seem to jump all over the track, and be behind you one second then suddenly glitch in front of you the next. Back before my oldest PC died ( sob) I set-up a three player game incorporating my Bartop machine as well, and with the other two players by the end of the 2nd stage and would end up going on a totally different route.

The arcade version of SP has the original tracks from OR2 only in the Online Arcade Version for PS3 and Xbox360 the tracks are missing.

Hmmm, I think you've possibly had a translation breakdown there, because that sentence doesn't make any sense. The original OR2 tracks are not in arcade SP, the tracks in that are the SP specific tracks (Americana themed, rather than the Eurocentric ones from the original OR2)- same as Outrun Online Arcade.

[italospain]

ok to be more clear:

the Lindbergh Outrun 2 SP Arcade Version has all 30 tracks.

proof :

sorry for my bad english.

[MrThunderwing]

Oh man, my bad, I stand corrected . I was absolutely convinced for some reason that Arcade OR2 SP only had the 15 tracks from Outrun Online Arcade in it. Well, that's good to know! P.S. I hadn't realised that you were ItalianGuy videogame and arcade's channel (AKA skeleton081983). Your videos of Scud Race and Daytona USA 2 running in MAME from about, ooooh, probably 10 years or so ago now, were one of the main things that persuaded me to give Model 3 emulation a try and eventually, a few years later, to upgrade my PC to get it working properly  . The very first time I tried Scud Race on my old Pentium 4 PC from back then in MAME32 it ran at about 1 frame every 2 seconds.

[italospain]

no problem

but i am not the ItalianGuy. Only a big Outrun fan.

greetings

[isamu]

ok to be more clear:

the Lindbergh Outrun 2 SP Arcade Version has all 30 tracks.

proof :

sorry for my bad english.

Wait a minute.... what in the FLYING ---fudgesicle--- is going on here!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?  How did you access the original OR2 tracks in SPDX? I looked at the video, and you don't seem to do anything special at the start, and yet the race loaded up with you playing the original OR2 tracks....WTF? Can you please reveal how you did this trick? Because my mind is blown the ---fudgesicle--- away right now!!!

[italospain]

I am not the uploader of the youtube video.
 
But he does nothing special. You can select sp tracks or original tracks with the car view button in the game mode selection screen.

greetings

[isamu]

How many of you guys knew about this? Raise your hand. Cuz i sure didn't. WOW....

[isamu]

bump

[racerjay]

having issue with src networking
main and subs are set , tried multiple ip combination 192.168.0.1 - .4   and 192.168.1.1 -.4
tried just 2 cabs  stuck at checking network now
all firewalls disabled
mk10 and sr3 work fine

[buttersoft]

Assuming those IP's are on the correct subnet, does SRC require you to go into the service menu and set the cabs as P1-P4?

[MrThunderwing]

Anyone with Windows 7 manage to get that GTI Club game working in the latest Teknoparrot? It crashes for me after the boot screen.

Edit: NVM, got it sorted now.

[buttersoft]

So, to keep the conversation going... Has the public TP been updated to include OR2 LAN mode at this stage? Any other changes worth noting? I've been out of the loop for a bit.

Part of the reason for my being out of the loop is SR3. I really appreciate the help with the track swap, it's a great game, and adding content makes it a worthy competitor to OR2, in my book, for best game on my driving setups. As i get deeper in i'll try to post back about which swapped tracks will load, but don't give enough time for the player to finish

[negative1]

anybody still playing these games?

i waited until most were available now, and i can try them out.

i'm running them on surface studio (i7, with nvidia 3050)
but i'm finding most games run way too fast....
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after burner climax - fun shooter

crazy ride - crazy taxi clone, but need subscription to try

daytona championship usa
daytona championship usa nse  - already played both a long time ago

ford racing full blown - finally got to play this with, with working controls

galaga assault = need subscription
pac-man chomp mania  = need subscription

pengo online - fun puzzle game, too short

raiden iii - cant get controls to work in this or rotated screen
raiden iv - works, great shooter

r-tuned ultimate street racing - too modern for me, i hate the unlimited boost, doesn't feel like sega

sega race tv - this is fun, and goofy

sega racing classic - nothing new here

sega rally 3 - been having tons of fun modding, new tracks, can switch cars, the best out the sega games, near perfect controls

haven't tried either one of these - might be surprised, but i don't like any modern sega racing games
sega showdown 8g
sega world drivers championship

virtua fighter 5 version b
virtua fighter 5 version c
virtua fighter 5 final showdown
virtua fighter 5 final showdown (APM3)
virtua fighter 5r
virtual fighter esports   - all are excellent but run way too fast

virtua tennis 3
virtua tennis 4 - both games are great, but get super hard after the 2nd round

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[isamu]

I can't speak for the non-racing stuff, but I've been dabbling in some of the "newer" Sega/Namco racers and...umm...well....I'm just not feeling any of 'em. 

R-Tuned is *OK*, but the graphics when stretched to full screen are kinda fugly. Sega World Drivers' is pretty cool and is probably the best outta the bunch. But Storm Racer G? Oh man...the real offender. That is one of THE ugliest pieces of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I have ever laid my eyes on, and the gameplay is pure trash.

Daytona 3 is a game I really REALLY wanted to like, but I can't get past the awful color palette. Those brown hues are an eyesore!

Really though, all these newer games that Sega farmed out to these Chinese devs run on a graphics engine that simply looks terrible. They all this low-res "vaseline-ish" look to them and I can't get AA to work properly either through TeknoParrot or Nvidia Control Panel.

I can safely say I'm fully and I mean *FULLY* content with sticking to the older Model 2/3/Naomi/Chihiro era stuff. They look better and they still play brilliantly.

When it comes to the "newer" stuff, Initial D and Wangan Midnight Maxi Tune are like the only exceptions! 

[negative1]

well, i've tried some more games..

crazy ride - as i mentioned it is crazy taxi with modern cars, might have  been ok,

but you need to keep boosting throughout the game, so i don't like that mechanism.

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it seems most modern games nowadays needs a boost feature
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sega showdown - it is fun for the destruction derby and crossover tracks, don't like the music though,
and yes, it also has the boost going on.

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sega world drivers - super impressive, and beautiful - tons of detail on the cars, and tracks, the best version
of a touring car racing game, handles well, and has a lot of depth

MADE FOR ONLINE COMPETITION ONLY

The single player AI is non-existant, you can come in first, get all the skill turns and CLASS S, on the first try.

only the top 2 cars, even try to keep up.

there are NO difficulty settings or way to change it. i couldn't even figure out how to try manual shift, but i'm sure
it will be just as easy.

this game had to the potential to be the last of the great sega racers.

i might still try it out, just to see the rest of the tracks.

but overall, its just too bad, that you need other people to play it to make it worthy.

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nothing wrong with the update to daytona 3, they added the 3 original tracks back in, and the city never did have browns in it,
and neither did the oval.

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lastly, i'm not into the series racing games, so i won't be trying those out, too much story and background stuff.

i will say my top tiers for sega racers goes like this
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top tier1
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virtua racing/formula
daytona
sega rally
indy 500

tier2
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sega rally 2
crazy taxi
sega rally revo - once you get used to the handling

tier3
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sega rally 3
hang on
super hang on



i've never like the outrun games, so those are out.
never liked daytona 2 or anything like it, because the tracks might be ok, but there's too many distracting and conflicting graphical elements
around and on the tracks.

never liked scud race, le mans, touring car either - just don't fit in with sega racing design

everything else is too gimicky, or just poor design.

it might not be a popular opinion - but i only saw the original daytona as the last game in the arcades,
and most places never bothered to get any of the sequels as racing games were out, and fighting games were in.

moving to model 3, and beyond didn't add anything to gameplay, and in fact, a lot of those games
had dumbed down AI.

as shown all the recent games look great, but play terribly.

i think i'll stick with model 2 pretty much.

sega rally 3/revo is actually challenging, but thats about it.


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[isamu]

Bro I respect your opinion but you are sleeping *HEAVY* on Scud Race and Initial D Zero. Both fantastic games.

And not a Sega game, but still...if you haven't played WMMT6 you're missing out big time.

[negative1]

Bro I respect your opinion but you are sleeping *HEAVY* on Scud Race and Initial D Zero. Both fantastic games.

And not a Sega game, but still...if you haven't played WMMT6 you're missing out big time.

well, i've tried some a few times.

but i'm about to go through all the model 3 racing games again,
maybe this time something will click.

but even if the game, like scud race plays well.

i'm bothered by the aesthetics of the game, i guess i can try to ignore the scenery at times,
and the strange levels.

the courses all seem claustrophobic, with too many tunnels, and structures on them.
they make you look more at all the things on the course, rather than paying attention to the track.

but the handling of the cars is all over the place.
especially the drifting, which just feels unnatural.
maybe i could get used to it. but it just doesn't fit in with the previous games handlings.

i'll report back later once i play more.

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ne gative 1

[negative1]

here is a video about using xbox series s - or x to use the model 3 emulator.

maybe this could be a different thread.

then you can play the racing games on a console :



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n eg ative 1