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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2024, 01:50:58 pm »
Well, i just need to install a new lock and we can call it a day. Thanks Lilshawn for all the help, could not have done this without you.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2024, 12:56:43 pm »
Sorry , forgot to post images of the inside, plus, at the end I had to replace the lock with a regular tubular arcade lock, all works just fine. Ive never been a great detailed guy, I'm more of like, if it work it works, ---fudgesicle--- it. I still think on why the acceptors did not worked with regular harness, but if I get to work on the virtuo I'm make more tests and post results.





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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2024, 06:58:22 pm »
Lets continue with part 2 on this, and I really would appreciate your help again Mr. Lilshawn, especially in getting the amp working, as I'm sure installing windows will be easy, if not I can just install another PC.
The Angelina I did a raffle for a sick friend of mine and I no longer have it. We gathered 2000 DLLs for him and he will use them for therapy after having a brain injury, He is doing great.So I'm glad it was for a good use, anyway, I got this one for the great price of 350dlls,including the stand. So the goal is gonna be the same, install windows and setthis free. Maybe uninstall the card reader and replace it with  a coin acceptor and I see it has a 4th slot, maybe replace it with the local bill acceptor too....will see that later, the thing I care the most would be using the built-in apms and speakers.  Anyway , ill post more pictures as time goes by.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2024, 07:45:16 pm »
again... remove IO board...it will not be used.

ideally, what you want is a RED color DI box.

https://documents.touchtunes.com/900747-001-Line-In%20DI-box%20Guide-Rev.00_online.pdf

this will allow you to use an 1/8" phono plug to RCA adapter to feed audio from the computer into the DI box...and then the DI box feeds directly into the amp input using a short ethernet cable. (you have 2 plugged into the IO board right now) that way you don't have to modify the amps at all to be able to feed audio into them.

you then you use another short ethernet cable to feed audio from the out/through port on the side of the amp to the input side of the other side of the amp, supplying audio to both amps.

then you will have to do one of 4 things, you will either have to...

build a hack cable to feed 12v in to power the DI box. (ethernet pins 4 (ground) and 5 (12v) that supply power to the DI pox to power it's electronics.) since you are using only one port, you can chop off an ethernet cable end and use blue for (-) and White/blue for (+)

build a supply with a 12v powerpack/plug/wallwart type of supply with a DIN plug wired on to power the DI box. (DIN pin 5 is 12v and pin 3 or 4 is ground (negative))

a 12v supply directly wired into the DI box (soldered to DIN plug contacts on PCB)

buy a power supply with the DIN plug already to go. such as part number 300099-118 (good luck finding them though)

when you power the DI box, the green LED's (or red LED depending on which version you have) will light, this DI will also power the amp turn on circuitry and turn the amps on.
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2024, 08:45:22 pm »
Man, this is gonna be a bit more complicated hahaha, I still don't have the juke at my house, so I want to imagine that the stand should already had the red box thingy, I can only cross my fingers, this is the stand but the looks of the picture. https://legacydist.com/products/virtuo-stand/ Will once I get the juke at home, thanks Lilshawn

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2024, 09:03:26 pm »
the red DI boxes are to interface regular "unbalanced" audio from a device like a TV or radio, convert it into a "balanced" signal that is immune to interference...  and sends it down the ethernet cable. at the other end, in the IO board, a circuit takes the balanced audio and sums the signals (eliminating the noise) turning it back into unbalanced audio.

there is a "blue" DI box that does the opposite (same as the IO board) converts the balanced signal back into an unbalanced signal that you can feed into a house system or receiver.

it's not terribly complicated. I use a similar DI box setup at home. my computer has a "red" DI box on it, it's patched into a pair of "blue" boxes (daisy chained together) which have their outputs feeding into 2 amps, one for my speakers, and the other for a subwoofer. the red DI box is powered through an adapter from my computer's power supply, so when the computer goes on, the boxes turn on.


since the virtuo amp natively takes a balanced signal, you can just feed the signal from a red DI box (which outputs a balanced signal anyway)

please note that this setup is not the same as the cheapo "RCA balun" using ethernet cable adapters you see all over the amazons, These devices have their uses... but you would likely introduce signal noise and degradation if they are not carefully run, even though they are described as being immune to noise and such. They are not. they simply run the audio signal as it comes out of your device through a small center tapped transformer (producing a + and - signal) and runs that down the cable. problem is, line level audio is often only about 1 volt... so it's not hard to introduce a half volt of noise by simply running near a power wire in your ceiling or wall... basically nuking 50% of your signal.

The touchtunes DI boxes convert the signal into a +11v and -11v signal (hence the need for a 12v power source to run them) so even if that same 0.5v AC ripple noise got in there, the sum circuit takes care of it... and even if it did squeak through... it would be ~4% of the overall signal. or about 0.04v of your 1 volt signal... basically inaudible. it's the best way to transport audio without having noise being introduced.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2024, 04:22:49 pm »
Well, i still dont have the juke at home, I imagine those stands must have red or blue boxes to make the juke work with their non touchtunes speakers work, I canonly hope for that, will see, on Sunday, mu causing will bring me the juke itself, and hopefully sometime next week someone can bring me the stand. Thanks Lilshanw, I appreciate your help, it looks like you are the only helping member, I can only help so much on the software forum. Thank you sir.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2024, 11:44:22 am »
I imagine those stands must have red or blue boxes to make the juke work with their non touchtunes speakers work

well... no, the speakers would hook up to the amp in the virtuo. since it's the IO board that does the audio... and it natively outputs and inputs balanced audio... AAANNND since you aren't going to be able to use the IO board when you do your conversion.... you need to replace it's audio function. this is where the Red DI box comes in.

see if your guy that you are buying this juke from has one. anyone dealing with touchtunes stuff should have amassed a bunch of DI boxes. but if not, let me know.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2024, 01:25:57 pm »
I imagine those stands must have red or blue boxes to make the juke work with their non touchtunes speakers work

well... no, the speakers would hook up to the amp in the virtuo. since it's the IO board that does the audio... and it natively outputs and inputs balanced audio... AAANNND since you aren't going to be able to use the IO board when you do your conversion.... you need to replace it's audio function. this is where the Red DI box comes in.

see if your guy that you are buying this juke from has one. anyone dealing with touchtunes stuff should have amassed a bunch of DI boxes. but if not, let me know.
Thanks for the offer, yes , I cant wait to get my hand on this thing hahaha.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2024, 07:02:04 pm »
By taking a closer look at this picture, it looks like the zone 3 cable goes to the back of the juke, and then some audio cables are routed to the top, wich makes me think they are going to the sonny speakers on the side of the juke, so hopefully yes , there's a red box in there hahaha, I hate waiting for this, I want to get ma hands on it already hahaha.
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2024, 05:09:59 pm »
The zone 3 cable likely runs into either a DA415 amp or another DA915 amp in the base or into a "blue" DI box to run into a separate conventional amp (crown, etc.)

if you end up needing a red DI box or other things, maybe we can trade. let me know when you've had a chance to check it out.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2024, 04:20:50 pm »
The zone 3 cable likely runs into either a DA415 amp or another DA915 amp in the base or into a "blue" DI box to run into a separate conventional amp (crown, etc.)

if you end up needing a red DI box or other things, maybe we can trade. let me know when you've had a chance to check it out.
Yes sir, what do you need or what are you looking for? I'm supposed to have the juke at my home tomorrow, I was gonna ask, by any chance do you know where I can buy an Angelina braket? i been looking for one to a no good luck, the winner of the raffle needs one, I was going to offer the stand I own now, but ill rather keep it to myself.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #92 on: July 27, 2024, 01:40:59 pm »
virtuo is okay.

early models have issues with black spots appearing on the LCD panels due to a manufacturing defect. later models have no panel issues... but some issues with bad caps on the  backlight inverters. newer ones have LED backlit panels and have issues with the caps going bad on the LVDS board. the later 2 being fixable... the spots, not at all other than panel replacement. good luck finding a panel to replace it....it's a weird size and wasn't available for long.

the computer is decent. it's output audio via regular headphone jacks so no messing around there. you will need a "red" DI box to convert the audio from the computer to the amp (amp accepts balanced audio over ethernet...the IO board does this so you'll have to sub the red DI box to do this.)

the card reader is worthless as it's been disabled due to new PCI credit card processing rules rules... making it non-compliant.

the stand should have woofers built into it... it should also have some satellite speakers attached to either side as well.
Sorry to bother you again, I'm still considering to exchange the Angelina for the virtuo, but I'm thinking on keeping the Angelina amps. By any chance, do you think its easy to modify the blue amp to make it work with reguralr sound, I mean without the red box? Or since it comes with a stand speaker, it should have the red box already?  Thanks for your time.

i don't know how the stand is configured exactly... they are made by a 3rd party.

the amps are the exact same amps... they just stuck 2 of the modules in the same box.

with using a red DI box, you don't need to change the amps at all... it's literally how they interconnect.

the "red" DI box has RCA input and and Ethernet cable balanced output. then, the other end of the cat 5 plugs right into the amp. you have to supply 12v to the DI box to power it. you can buy a pre-made power adapter that plugs right in, or just wire on a 12v power brick or other supply to the appropriate places on the board.

the "BLUE" DI boxes convert the balanced audio ethernet back into standard RCA (for instance, connecting from the IO board zones to an external house system)

since you won't be using the IO board, you won't need any blue DI boxes unless you want to convert your computer audio to balanced with a red box...send it long distance over an ethernet cable, then convert it back to RCA to hook up to a house system.

one red DI box can feed audio out to 2 amps when externally powered, which is enough for the amp in the virtuo. (since it's 2 amps in one case) if you need feed a DA415 blue amp as well, you'll need another red DI box for that amp.

the DA415 amp will likely need the caps in the amp serviced. they all do.
So the juke its getting ready to be delivered today, I saw that its missing one of the satellite speakers, that's ok, I can buy another one, I was taking a look at this old message, that you mention that this amp its the same as the Angelina amps , as it has 2 units cramped inside, did I understood correctly?

and don't forget my previes message   "Yes sir, what do you need or what are you looking for? I'm supposed to have the juke at my home tomorrow, I was gonna ask, by any chance do you know where I can buy an Angelina braket? i been looking for one to a no good luck, the winner of the raffle needs one, I was going to offer the stand I own now, but ill rather keep it to myself."

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #93 on: July 27, 2024, 06:02:05 pm »
Yes sir, what do you need or what are you looking for? I'm supposed to have the juke at my home tomorrow, I was gonna ask, by any chance do you know where I can buy an Angelina braket? i been looking for one to a no good luck, the winner of the raffle needs one, I was going to offer the stand I own now, but ill rather keep it to myself.

I have nothing extra for the angelina kicking around, and touchtunes wants about 100 bucks for just the bracket plus tax and shipping.

I do on the other hand, have a pile of extra Virtuo brackets... I can cut one up and modify it to work with the angelina if that interests you. I have an angelina in the shop right now that i can test the bracket with.

I'm always in need of virtuo IO boards, and since you won't be using it... i'll gladly trade my made up bracket and the DI boxes you might need, for the IO board if that interests you.

the virtuo amp (DA-950V) is the same B&O amp board that is contained within the angelina amp(s)... it has 2 of them in the same case... as well as a board that does the audio conversion (the "ethernet" audio that comes out of the IO board), into an audio signal the amp can use, AC power, and amp turn on signals in... as well as the amp status lights and speaker connections back out. so it's basically a 4 channel amp  (2 seperate left and right "zones")

if you have a "blue" DA-415 or DA415+ amp, it will also require a DI box to feed audio into it. Much like the DA-950V it has an input board that does the audio conversion and the speaker connections back out.

as I explained previously regarding the balanced audio,  the amp takes the balanced +11v, -11v, and ground for the audio signal in for processing... if you try to feed in a 1 volt line level signal directly from an audio source into the amp... you won't get much out of the circuit and going into the amp board itself. while it is TECHNICALLY do-able, you are looking at dissembling the amp, removing the board and making your own input and output on the amps... which is probably going to be more work than you want to do. (in a pinch, I have done this after a board failure just for a short time while i got a replacement board.)

now, the angelina amps are slightly different, in that they do not take balanced audio into them. they take regular line level unbalanced audio, as they are directly connected to the backplane of the computer system. so there isn't much you need to do to make them work with the setup you had built up... but the virtuo amp is setup a little different.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2024, 11:52:24 am »
Yeah, my juke its here, its missing one of the satellite speakers but I can easily build one myself. It has an amp inside, but no red or blue boxes. Ill gladly trade the io board for an Angelina braket and the di boxes. Thanks, ill trow in the Angelina io board I still have, the remote that came in, and do you think you'll have an use for the harness? if so ill send it to you to. Ill pm you for your info. Since I got 2 amps, it looks like I'm gonna need two Red DI boxes, am I right?

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2024, 05:01:27 pm »
Update of the day, so i took out the io board, and the harness, the computer as well, computer is kinda crappy so I'm gonna replace it with a better one, at least a 6th gen PC so I can use an m2 drive. bot amps look good inside, like maybe no cap replacement would be needed. Mr Lilshawn, I forgot to measure the power on the monitor pinout, I don't wanna burning out, do you think you can help me with that, my guess is, 2 blacks are ground, yellow is 12v and white 24v?
PS: do you want this motherboard? I'm just planing to keep the whole case, with heat sink and replace it with a newer minit ITX.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2024, 06:55:48 pm »
So the front leds are nothing but regular rgb leds, good, the line in the middle looks complicated, but I'm not gonna sweet it, I'm gonna just install regular leds there.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2024, 09:48:35 pm »
So leds on the back should be easy to replace, again, connecting a cheap rgb box would controls all led lights. if Lilshawn helps me with the 2 red DI boxes, and installing a  gen 6th pc will be an easy mod.  Once I get everything ready, ill play with the bill acceptors, this time I'm not gonna use the duilt in harness as last time i did, it was a headache. i think I'm going to install a coin acceptor as well. Oh well , its gonna take some time, as at the moment i don't have money for the PC. Will post once i get some coin for that.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2024, 01:32:45 pm »
Yeah, my juke its here, its missing one of the satellite speakers but I can easily build one myself. It has an amp inside, but no red or blue boxes. Ill gladly trade the io board for an Angelina braket and the di boxes. Thanks, ill trow in the Angelina io board I still have, the remote that came in, and do you think you'll have an use for the harness? if so ill send it to you to. Ill pm you for your info. Since I got 2 amps, it looks like I'm gonna need two Red DI boxes, am I right?

okay, so the stand has it's own amp then? what kind is it? I have not seen one of those stands yet, so i'm not sure how they are set up.

anything you aren't going to use I'll gladly take. I keep a shelf of extra parts just in case, and having as much as you can makes it easy to just grab it and go fix one on location that is broken. The more parts that I don't have to wait to be shipped to us, the better.

you probably are only going to need 1 red DI box, as most of the amps have "in" and "out" ports on them, so you can just daisy chain them, one to the next to the next, and so on, by just plugging an ethernet cable from the "out" port of one device, to the "in" port of the next one... So you just need to convert the audio out on the computer to balanced with the red box, then go from there to an amp... and then daisy chain to the rest of the amps from there.

I'm not sure about the back LED's... i think they are setup as addressable cause they have a 3 pin connection that comes out of the backside of the IO board.. haven't looked too much into it... but a guy could just toss some LED strips in there. the back is kind of a pain to open up... you have to press in the big clear tabs all the way around the inside perimeter and remove 2 screws to pop the lenses off.

you are correct with the monitor power connections. black is ground, yellow is 12v and white is 24v. the 24v is used solely for the backlight inverter. FYI, the original OG power supply (before they changed it to the all-in-one power supply it has now) had a separate 24v power supply spec'd at 4.2 amps (6.3a with a fan)... but it did not have a fan and there where reports of some of them catching fire which is why they changed to an all-in-one power supply... so if you end up needing to use a different power supply, you'll probably wanting to find one capable of probably 5 amps or better.


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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2024, 02:06:03 pm »
You probably are only going to need 1 red DI box, as most of the amps have "in" and "out" ports on them, so you can just daisy chain them, one to the next to the next, and so on, by just plugging an ethernet cable from the "out" port of one device, to the "in" port of the next one... So you just need to convert the audio out on the computer to balanced with the red box, then go from there to an amp... and then daisy chain to the rest of the amps from there.
Thatshow they came in yes, the zone 3 cable was directly attached to the back amplifier.

Thanks for the info, i got the stuff ready to ship, I'm just waiting on your  info to send it out. I pm you a couple of times.
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2024, 10:54:09 pm »
Small update today. So the reason i did not mailed the remote to you (Lilshawn) is because I realised it was for a led control unit, today i searched for it and i found it, which would make my life easier with the jukebox leds. At the stand , the bottoms leds were damaged, but the front ones, worked, I'm gonna use them directly with the 12v power source and left them in white mode. The controller i would use it for the jukebox leds.
I wanted to text the led matrix with my laptop to have an idea on how it looks, so i did the old trick to get the powerbrick at the juke working with the green and black cable together, and it worked. i did try the led matrix, but i cant just see how i can use it. Im not sure how touchtunes manages to get stuff displayed there. Ima research on youtube on how can i use this on windows 11. 

The bottom speaker its a cheap Eminence EMINATOR 12" inches, ill have to wait for the DI boxes to test the sound. Ill see if i can use a better one.

Im still looking for ways to gather money for a better PC hahaha> So updates are gonna be slow, plus i have to wait for Lilshawn to mail the red box.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #101 on: July 31, 2024, 12:29:51 am »
the LED pixel array display on top is basically a HUB73 LED panel with a custom controller that accepts DVI/HDMI and acts as a very large, but low resolution monitor... there where 2 or 3 versions of this panel so you'll have to count out the pixels and create yourself a custom resolution for it...(it'll be like 24x120 ) then just feed it a DVI/HDMI signal and put whatever you want on there as if it is an extended display.

So I got the 80x17 pixels, I think it will end up displaying garbage, cus I cant find anything on how to display something useful at that resolution on windows, plus , the intel graphics wont let me create a customer resolution for 80x17 , I need to do more research on that.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2024, 02:22:36 pm »
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU
I did saw this but is not working on my laptop, wich I am using to test stuff. So ima wait to see if it works with the final computer im gonna use for the juke.
Today I wired the power for the monitor and tested the USB touch and it works just fine, also monitor looks fine, no black spots.
I got the bottom part of the front door removed because I want ton install a coin mech, so I'm figuring out a way to do that that wont be looking to bad.
Anyway, check you Pm (LilShawn)
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2024, 11:31:35 pm »
Led lights are working, to bad the control does not have a battery, also this looks a bit blue instead of white, but that's ok.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2024, 04:09:29 pm »
How in da hell can touchtunes display this can of stuff? I'ma post on the monitor forum to see if I can get help on how to achieve that.  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XfM9iK9NWrg

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2024, 09:45:23 pm »
I think its gonna be alot of trouble to have a useful top panel in windows, I guess I'm gonna use it as an RGB display like I did on the Angelina, I'm gonna print a translucent sticker and call it done. I really don't want to overthink this.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #107 on: August 05, 2024, 03:13:54 pm »
Bummer, the virtuo screen is not 1080p its 1366x768....

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2024, 05:35:48 pm »
Lilshawn, your stuff is on the way, check pm for tracking number.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2024, 07:54:10 pm »
Bummer, the virtuo screen is not 1080p its 1366x768....

not really a fault with touchtunes... it's the panel manufacturers...

1024x768 was a "Standard Resolution" size for a VERY long time... when Widescreen started becoming standard, an easy hack to preserve the vertical resolution and just extend the horizontal resolution to get the 16:9 ratio "conforming" resolution of 1365.33333333..., which they've rounded up (because they don't like odd # pixel counts) to 1366.

dumb as hell, but what we ended up with.

so, as a result...of the total production of all 219 different panel models of the 26.0" size ever manufactured...

17 are 1920x1080,
1 is 2560x1440,

and the remaining 201 panels are 1366x768.

for comparison, 27" panels have currently 781 different models to choose from and roughly 11 are less than 1080p resolution. it's just a weird panel size released at a wierd transition time for panel manufacturers and chosen by tyco/elo to build the unit.

about halfway through the virtuo run, the supply of new 26" panels basically ran out... so they transitioned to 27" panel (which necessitated the redesign of the glass touch overlay.)

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2024, 08:04:53 pm »
Bummer, the virtuo screen is not 1080p its 1366x768....

not really a fault with touchtunes... it's the panel manufacturers...

1024x768 was a "Standard Resolution" size for a VERY long time... when Widescreen started becoming standard, an easy hack to preserve the vertical resolution and just extend the horizontal resolution to get the 16:9 ratio "conforming" resolution of 1365.33333333..., which they've rounded up (because they don't like odd # pixel counts) to 1366.

dumb as hell, but what we ended up with.

so, as a result...of the total production of all 219 different panel models of the 26.0" size ever manufactured...

17 are 1920x1080,
1 is 2560x1440,

and the remaining 201 panels are 1366x768.

for comparison, 27" panels have currently 781 different models to choose from and roughly 11 are less than 1080p resolution. it's just a weird panel size released at a wierd transition time for panel manufacturers and chosen by tyco/elo to build the unit.

about halfway through the virtuo run, the supply of new 26" panels basically ran out... so they transitioned to 27" panel (which necessitated the redesign of the glass touch overlay.)
Man you really are a box of information hehehe Thanks for the info.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #111 on: August 06, 2024, 08:23:47 pm »
I've been fixing these kinds of things for years. sometimes you have to get creative.

just yesterday i bought a 2 used 26" LCD TV's off of one of those buy and sell used crap from around your area kind of sites (kinda like craigslist only less rapey) to repair a virtuo. What I do is look up the model numbers and find the user manuals.... in the back there is usually a section that tells you the native resolution of the panel. so i find a guy selling a couple for 25 bucks, look up the resolution and find it's 1366x768. so, tear them apart... modified the original driver board to drive the new panel (old panels use 12v LVDS and "new" panels use 5v... just a matter of swapping some jumpers.) ad bang boom, got a new monitor. still tuck with 1366x768 resolution though which is a bummer... i may look into replacement LVDS boards that i can configure for 1080 and see if i can score some 26" 1080 panels.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2024, 12:49:17 pm »
I live in a area where all of the USA scrap comes here, gets fixed and sold.  Ill be looking fo a same size panel with a better resolution, since the touch is on the glass itself, everything should be fine. Also as I'm probably gonna sell this thing, I might just ignore it and sell it like it is hahaha

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2024, 03:06:45 pm »
an LVDS that is configurable to be used with a 1080p panel is one with model number MDV6822

it is used in the 27" panel versions of the virtuo monitor so it's confirmed working... and has both DVI and VGA inputs. it has jumpers to configure the output for the panel data (usually 8bits single channel) and also the panel voltage (3.3, 5, or 12 volts). if you buy one, i recommend off the hop, replacing the 3 capacitors on it. they are really low quality and end up causing glitches on the screen after a few months of running.

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #114 on: August 08, 2024, 01:52:09 am »
I used my own laptop to see how it would look, I bought a battery for the RGB control and I like the result, whenever I get some extra money ill buy a led strip to install it on the back.


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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #115 on: August 08, 2024, 11:32:52 pm »
So today i went shopping and found an hp pavilion 570, i5 7th gen with 16gb ram, 1tb harddrive and 128gb m2 SSD plu an and r5 4302gb ddr5 video card all for 100 dlls, not bad. Im installing windows right now, but the m2 drive is not compatible, so I need to find another one. Even thought it didn't fit the case It looks good.
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #116 on: August 09, 2024, 01:07:59 am »
nice! lots of room... you could just put a slab of plywood in there and then screw down your motherboard for an easy mounting solution.

looks like that m.2 is designed for a wifi card only, and not an ssd drive
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #117 on: August 09, 2024, 02:53:09 am »
nice! lots of room... you could just put a slab of plywood in there and then screw down your motherboard for an easy mounting solution.

looks like that m.2 is designed for a wifi card only, and not an ssd drive
Actualy i did used the bottom part of the original computer case and its bolted to the juke, ill see if i can take better pictures, no need for a plywood part, the bottom part of the computer case has a plasticcover that prevents the motherboard from touching any metal parts and its 100% secured.
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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #118 on: August 09, 2024, 02:37:40 pm »
oh, nice! I was going to suggest cutting out (or removing) the motherboard tray and mounting it in there, but thought it might be a bit much. everyone's a little different when it comes to "do it yourself" kinds of hacks. mounting a chunk of plywood is a super easy way of mounting stuff in metal cabinets. i've modified older NSM CD wallbox jukeboxes (firebirds, gemstars, etc) to touchscreen jukes and the whole inside is metal, makes for mounting stuff kinda hard... tossing a completed computer/power supply/control boards mounted to plywood and using a few existing holes can make it so i could get a juke done in a day... and if things go sideways (fried power supply or dead computer)... i can yank out the whole thing and toss in another and be back going in 20 minutes.

i would have no issue busting out the angle grinder and hacking stuff up (as i've done many times before)  :lol

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Re: Its there a way to use touchtunes hardware with windows?
« Reply #119 on: August 09, 2024, 06:59:40 pm »
Well, im not the guy that takes pictures of everything as I get exited and get my hands to work all the time, but basically what I did was, with the original computer cased, I didn't send to you , cus I knew I was gonna use it to put the computer there, since the computer didn't fit , I used the bottom part, wich is basically a giant heat sink, the good part was, the compute case already had a good mount with the regular computer 4 screws for the heat sink , so all I did was, removed the 4 original screws that holds the heatsink the computer I bought, installed the motherboard in the 4 bolts from the touchtunes heatsin case  and it was a perfect fit, no need to drill extra holes or nothing, not sure if I'm making any sense. At the end to get rid of harddrives, I installed my laptop 1tb hardrive and Im gonna use the 128gb  for personal use, i was not using the 1tb anyway. So yeap, computer boots and does everything  faster. Anyway my pictures suck but here you can seem using the original part so its bolted nice and tight.