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RandyT:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 25, 2014, 03:35:22 pm --- Funny Randy mentions Sceptre.   It was that model, in 37"..  that died after the 3rd yr of ownership... not too long ago.   It was a model everyone was praising at first, due to comparable pricing.   After a short time, it started to have some blotchy translucent shadows that were forming..  which Im assuming was the films overheating and melting.  It was cool in the room, as I had an AC unit running.. as well as put a fan behind the "hot-box".   There was certainly image blur on fast images.   Accurate Photoshop work was impossible due to very poor color shade representation.  Side by side against my ancient tiny CRT - it was a total face-palm moment..  as you could easily see how much color loss was apparent, as well as how the colors and overall picture contrast / shades  were also incorrectly represented.   Im darn good at tweaking settings, and spent hours trying to get it to a better state.. but after all of that,  It was still about 40% worse than the CRT.

 I operated that LCD daily, as my main PC monitor.  Using it for countless hours at a time.   It wasnt the backlight that went, as Ive seen that issue before  (you can see make out a feint image when that happens, if your look closely).   I believe self terminated its power supply or controller motherboard.

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The Sceptre I have was a ~10 years past Black Friday special 17" monitor, not a TV.    Currently, it is my building security system monitor and hasn't been turned off for 3 years straight.  When it comes to electronics, luck can be a good part of the equation.

Another factor can be price, but not always.  The leading cause of death is penny pinching on the internal components, like capacitors.  Nobody seems to do board level repairs anymore, so when a cheap, no-name LCD panel goes up in smoke due to a power supply issue, the lack of replacement parts seals it's fate.  It's always better to pay a little more for an LCD unit which is backed by a good manufacturer who will make sure there are going to be replacement parts.  The no-name (and I include the Sceptre, Emerson, Polaroid and other cheap brands) should be considered disposable, unless you like troubleshooting and soldering.

That being said, the older units which can be had for cheap have made it through that 2 years or so, where demise due to cheap components is most likely to occur.  I.e. if they made it this far, they are likely going to keep working for a good time to come.

As for color and performance, LCD's are not like CRT units.  How well they perform has as much to do with the processing capabilities as it does with the panel itself.  This can make for way more combinations of parts and possibilities for missteps than in the CRT realm.  Many high end units (like the expensive DCOM units in your health care facility) have extensive options for tweaking and calibrating the image, while the cheap, low-end (the ones most likely to fail prematurely) have very minimal controls.  To expect those two ends of the gamut to have anything comparable in quality is unrealistic.  But again, many of these old 4:3 units being discarded are not low quality units, just unwanted in favor of something else.

Selecting the right unit, and being willing to pay for the longevity, quality and performance being expected, will usually go a long way in the LCD realm.  But if you can pick them up really cheap and they look/perform half decently, does it really matter if they die after a couple of years, and end up on the scrap heap they were destined for before you got it?

dkersten:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 25, 2014, 03:35:22 pm --- And finally, IMO,   a  25  to  36"   Display, running a low resolution game like Pacman,  at a distance of two feet or less,  .. is horrible.   Way too close.  And way too big.   Makes the already pixelated picture  (due to modern monitors higher dot-pitch shadowmasks),  even more blocky.    The classic cabinets really had it right.   19" crts, at a minimal distance away from the user, with side-walls to keep you from distractions... as well as keeping the sounds in, and others sounds being less intrusive.    The distance and size was just right, for blending the images to a much more smooth look.
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The ONLY pacman cabinet I have seen in the past 10 years around here is a 25th anniversary one at the movie theater down the street from me, and it houses what has to be at least a 26" CRT turned vertical.  In comparison it would take a 40"+ LCD mounted horizontally to get the same height as that screen.  So if you are saying that a 27" widescreen 16:9 horizontally mounted with a screen height of approximately 13.5" is TOO BIG, then I would say you sir, are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Unless of course what you are saying is that the ORIGINAL games are too big as well.  Whatever floats your boat.

I have dozens upon dozens of 4-7 year old LCD's here and I have used tons of them for gaming, both modern PC games and arcade games, and never have I stopped and said "Oh man, this is just unplayable."

And BTW, if you read all the good info about LCD's for gaming, you would know that half of what you are talking about is a compromise.  You can get great color reproduction in an IPS as well as great off axis visibility, but you can't get over 60hz with one and the input lag is always going to be above 5ms.  (yes, the Koreans are selling overclocked IPS panels but they actually perform worse and have higher latency because all it does is heat them up and make them run worse).  But you take older "TN" technology and the color reproduction is not great and the off axis is horrible, but you can get sub 1ms response times with the ability to "usably" overclock the screen, and because of that, TN is what all the "gamer" monitors use, which happens to be a 10 year old technology. 

You can throw data and facts around all day, but if you can't realistically apply those to real life, then you tend to sound like you don't know what you are talking about. 

yotsuya:

--- Quote from: dkersten on July 25, 2014, 08:26:37 pm ---You can throw data and facts around all day, but if you can't realistically apply those to real life, then you tend to sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

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Welcome to BYOAC. Did you get the manual at the orientation?

Xiaou2:
Yes, the Aneversery models monitor was too big.

 Play a real machine, most likely, at a collectors house.  Note how much better it looks and feels.  Then, return here and post your findings.   Ohh, to add to that... find someone with a pedestal mame, and play Pacman, and some other classics. 

 Compare again.. how they feel completely different, due to the nature of not being closer to the smaller monitor..  as well as lacking the 'blinder'  side panels.


 I dont have to have every single Factoid on LCDs to know that in most cases.. they Suck for games.  Most especially Classic games.   Have fun memorizing useless data that will soon be outdated.  Ill play some games and enjoy life a little more in the meantime...

 
--- Quote ---I have dozens upon dozens of 4-7 year old LCD's here and I have used tons of them for gaming, both modern PC games and arcade games, and never have I stopped and said "Oh man, this is just unplayable."
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 Most modern games are child level easy.  As most are FPS games, in which there are a lot of waiting / hiding, walking, moments..  and even when your in action.. its very limited in its intensity and need of Constant precise reactions.   
 
 Robotron however, drops you in the middle of like 100 baddies.. some merely a few pixels away... and says "GO".   Between the robots and the 50mph projectiles... you are constantly dodging, shooting..   and often are one to three pixels away from death,  at least 5 times a level.   Most beginners have never been up to stage 10.. and cant get there repeatedly.  Ive been up to stage 30 on a real machine, although, I think it was set to 5 lives at that time.  Even that, took many hours of play, before it became a regularly attainable feat.

 With visual and or input lag delays, there is no way to play that game well.    Nor will it look anything like the original counterpart arcade CRT.   From color differences, to blending and bleeding, and a slight soft blur and glow... as well as a textural look from the larger dot pitch / thicker lined  Shadow-Mask.

 Can you play Mappy?   Sure.  Its a slower paced game.   Though, you may experience scroll-tearing...  which is always a distraction and an annoyance...

 Sinistar?   Another very intense game..  especially on 2nd level and up.   You cant have lag on that game.. as its pretty much impossible as it is.  I believe Ive gotten to level 4, possibly 5 (bad memory)  on the real machine.


 But as Ive stated, this is less about what your willing to compromise on.. and was started as a response to a thread about putting an LCD or a CRT in a donation machine... to a family low on funds.  I believe there was a separation of the thread.. and or I was so tired when I was posting.. it got posted here instead.


 As for my Departed Sceptre - It was about $1500  I believe.  And far less than 10yrs ago.   It was still much cheaper than the comparing LCDs....  but still, a serious amount of cash to drop for my budget.   Very luckily, I got a full refund.   That would have been  $500  per year for the poor-performance experience.

 But Contrary to your statements... and as Already posted..  cost has little factor these days.   That HP all-in-one was only a few years back... and it was an expensive model, and a well known brand.   And not much longer ago than that..  Id gotten an HP scanner,  that quickly developed a problem with noise, and thus the scans were completely unusable.  Id used it maybe 10 times.    Its probably another one of the many devices on HPs support page, that goes completely unanswered.. as it racks up Thousands of angry and desperate users cries for help and justice.

 Welcome to the world of Corruption.  Where its gotten a stranglehold in all facets of life... and people have accepted it, and even now Defend it.  Quite sickening, but thats the way it is.

Typefighter01:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 26, 2014, 10:10:39 pm ---Have fun memorizing useless data that will soon be outdated.

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